Uh...pretty much any site "could" be good for poker. Even sites dedicated to painting poker in a bad light could go all reverse psychology on themselves and end up being good for poker.

I have to agree to "could".

However, I don't like the way they're going about it. Even if riggies sorta deserve to be pandered to with half truths.

I'm not sure what's going to happen but I am watching with interest. There are a number of theories. I think my favourite line of thought is that some live players who have stopped playing online may start playing at RealDeal. I don't think it will interest the internet kids that much, but I'm not sure yet.

Possibly the online sites feel threatened but I'm not sure they need to be. I think they appeal to an entirely different market. The rush poker thing seems to be heading in the other direction. I have always thought online poker is for the kids, and live poker is for adults, and the up and coming smarter kids who are going to make it big. RealDeal may bridge that gap but I wouldn't put money on it, or on their success, but I wish them luck anyway.

Online has always looked to be a different form of poker with different odds and different ways of playing. Rush poker takes it one step further. RealDeal may appeal to a limited customer base similar to live poker so wont hurt the online poker sites too much. I think one of the questions will be, how many other sites will try to copy this? Will some of the big live casinos try and use this sort of idea or one day use live dealers online, dealing while you sit at home in front of the computer. It could happen one day. It's possible that RD has sprung up because of the negative feeling live players have for online. So it could be a sign of the time for change. Maybe that is why rng sites will feel threatened. Well I don't know the answer but will be watching developments.

Online poker and the real game of live poker seem to be heading in different directions which is not so bad. They look to be different markets, which means RD can possibly fit in, without harming internet poker. Even though I am a live player, and only play online for fun, I had a go at the free money RealDeal test site. IMO it played somewhere between real poker and the online rng video game version. Probably wont play for money but I am gonna love all the hate, fear, and loathing it's seemingly gonna stir up from the poker sites and the "wtf lol lo oo o o oser ******" internet kiddies. This is gonna be fun.

Ugh.

Where is that dam Ban Hammer when you need it?

That's pretty funny.

And that's pretty ignorant. Shuffling and dealing and odds certainly play identically on all three (or it wouldn't be poker). But your belief is what RDP is catering to.

Perhaps I downplayed it, but I agree with this.

He'll be back in a couple of days. It wasn't done for his posting in this thread, or by a mod of this forum.

Could be? Sure. If it brings a new demographic to the game, that would be great.

Could be bad, if they botch it up.

Most likely will have no major impact IMO.

You're in the wrong thread. You're looking for this one:

The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

If you belive rigtards think there is no such thing as a "Bad Beat" then you are right, but i think it's about the fairness of the game which is the most important and anything which improves this is good for the game...

Yes and, sadly, this does absolutely nothing to improve the fairness of the game.

Wait, what?

But RealDeal is using real decks of cards! A Real Deal, as it were. And they burn a card!! And you get to cut!!1!!!!!11!

And best of all, they're not using one of those goddamn rigged RNGs!

It's just a matrix.

And something...um...random.

We'd tell you what it is, but we can't.

But it's random.

And it's not an RNG.

Honest.

Ah, OK, my mistake.

there are 52! ways to arrange a deck
there are 52!/(52-28)! ways to deal cards to 10 players incl. burn cards
so theoretically out of every deck shuffle you can make 24! deals of cards without using an RNG and only using the ordering of the cards to generate them

But would this be random?

Serious question.

Only if you could pick which of the multiple orderings to use at random.

Otherwise there would be a known pattern of deals following any particular ordering until you stated with a new deck.

We can accept that the realdeal deck is reasonably random (although not as random as a deck shuffled with a hardware RNG), but, unless you revert to some random number generator (hardware, software, timing based, whatever) you will necessarily generate a pattern of deals.

Of course, if any pokersite were having hands played at a high enough rate and the ordered hands where shared amongst tables no one would be able to spot a pattern but it would be unwise to rely on that. Further, why take the risk when you can do the job properly with a decent RNG?

Yes, if you do it right.

No one from RD has addressed any of the important questions here, so I think this thread should be merged with the rigged thread.

But, as I explain above, the only way to 'do it right' is to introduce some other random number to pick which ordering to use.

As soon as you do that you have reverted to making the deal dependent on a random number and your are, effectively, back to square one.

People need to understand that this site is nothing but a smoke and mirrors marketing ploy to take advantage of the paranoid fears of riggies.

Monteroy explained that aspect in some detail earlier in the thread.

That's probably where it belongs given that the genesis of RealDeal is predicated on the belief that enough players exist who believe that the deal is rigged to create a market.

fyp

I think this thread is fine on its own. We've actually made progress uncovering information about RealDeal poker. The rigged thread will never make any progress. It's just there for amusement IMO.

Ithink we'd better wait and see b4 jumping in feet first......

Wait and see? If the games are already fair now, they can't get MORE FAIR.

You might be paranoid and THINK the deal will be more fair, and if that makes you feel better then that's wonderful and all, but there's nothing to "wait and see" about.

false, there are 24! times more orderings of cards than deals
you can establish a mapping of each unique order of 52 cards to many deals of 28 cards

it's like if your card order is 6s,Ad,Kd,Kh... etc.
then your first two shuffles are:
2s,Qh,3s,etc.
8c,Td,Kh,etc.

you just need to know how to map each card ordering to multiple shuffles
and there are FAR FAR more card orderings than deals of 28 cards so you can use the card order as an "RNG" because you have enough information to somehow generate many deals

So tomorrow is the big day? You can color me surprised if so, considering they have had that launch date sticker up for like a year now, and the date just keeps changing...

Anyone in this thread going to deposit in 24 hrs when real deal is up and runing?

Nope.

It's perfectly possible to deduce logically that this technique in and of itself does absolutely zilch to increase the fairness of the game.

It's unclear exactly what you expect to see if you wait. There is a small thread called 'The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition' which hasn't really got anywhere deciding if even one side of the equation is fair.

I honestly think some of these guys have the approach..... "well, if I play on RealDeal for a few days and don't get bad beats, it's legit". That's what they mean by "wait and see".

Math is an important subject growing up folks. Those who don't understand it can really get suckered in by stupid ideas.

ROFLMAO.

You type 'false' and then add an explanation that does absolutely nothing to justify that. There is no dispute that there are an enormous number of mappings.

It's picking them so that there is no possibility of a discernible pattern that's the problem.

Either you pick them on the basis of something random (or pseudo random) or it ain't random. And if you pick them on the basis of something random being used to select the index (a number) into the ordering vector then you're back at square one.

Yup, once you've used randomly generated number to select the ordered deal.