Think about the following. How can a pokersite or online-casino prove and make it transparent that all numbers, cards, whatsoevers are true random and fair? How can the regulators and legislators be absolutely sure that all is random and fair? How can we poker players be sure in case that only RNGs are used? Is there a hidden code or radio frequence with a certain noise level u have to know to become a winning player and know then all hole cards?

There must be a way to secure a fair and true random game. If not, we can forget Online-Poker. I consider Real Deal Poker as a good approach only. However, they promise somewhat. I re-translate the promise into English. It is said somewhere in their faqs.

Any single game will be fair and certified. Any manipulation of single games is completely excluded.

What does Pokerstars promise sofar? More or less nothing. And this is the reason why I am a conspiracy theorist. But be sure, I am more an old practician than a naive joung poker player. I have already realized a lot of risks and have a long experience sofar.

I understand people's desire for transparency; I just fail to see how Real Deal can provide it to us any better than any other site can. All the credit to them if they are really able to, but on the surface, it just looks like a gimmick to me.

But to be fair, it's not a gimmick that makes them any less transparent that any other site, so I'm not completely against the concept if it brings new players into the game. Just so long as their matrix is non-exploitable.

What does "non-duplicate deck" mean? Do duplicates get thrown out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMLst_Brvz4&NR=1#t=5m32s

As a player with long roulette experience and a certain degree in statistics and probability math I know permanences and also some techniques of permanence multiplications. I think that Real Deal Poker will use a similar techique to overcome the logistical problem. However, this can be done without fraudulent manipulations and all decks will be true random and fair. And it can be warranted that nobody will be able to know the cards beforehand - the matrix will also secure that because of a huge multiplication. Perhaps they use a very complex physical hard disc matrix system too. I am sure Real Deal Poker will explain that as soon as they have their patent registration fixed.

How many passes through Google translator did you have to make to produce this gibberish?

Seafield, you have said a couple of times that you are done here. Can you go ahead and leave this thread now?

Thanks

I don't understand those terms in this context; can you explain them or link me to an explanation?

I think you have to read the following classic standard roulette literature:

Henri Chateau - La Science de la Roulette et du Trente-et-Quarante, 1926
In this book there is a paragraph with the title "the law of the endlessness of a permanence"

I try to explain what this law says: "Any permanence is a chain of products of random - in detail and on the whole - among themselves mixable and replaceable."

With this law it is easy to create multiple variants of a single deck and each deck is true random.

Al hypothetical , realdeal is never going to launch.

I'm sure that realdeal will going to launch this concept. The invention of Gene Gioia is to brilliant and arbitrary expandable. I'm also sure it will not last very long and all gaming regulators and internet pokersites on this world are forced to use more or less the same system. RNG systems as we know them are going to die out because they are not tamper-proof.

lmao

And this is?

RNG systems show no signs of dying out.

They are just as tamper proof as any mechanical shuffling system.

foolproof = idiotensicher, manipulationssicher

safe against manipulation

I said it already between the lines. A hidden code or radio frequence with a certain noise level could be enough to become a winning player and know then all hole cards.

You are crazier than I first thought.

How many more frivolous poasts did you make after this one? You have added nothing useful to the discussion, unless you consider spaming us with information off Real Deals site useful. So please, I'm sure the German forum is dying (faster than RNGs) without you.

There is much more brainpower on this world than my humble self.
But in the country of the blind the one-eyed man is king.

And I am sure that this guy knows exactly what he is doing.

Bye

The stats guys will tell you that it's all in the output, and we have seen powerful studies done to confirm this (both valid results and strange ones like the super users).

There will never be a way to test for mystical creatures like superbots or Lizard people that magically manipulate the deal in ways that can not be detected, all the while keeping their dark secret, so the extremely paranoid users will never be totally satisfied, but then again they never want to be satisfied as believing in corruption is what they enjoy. Proving it does not matter to them.




Most players have faith in the marketplace and the fact that all of the output (hands) are available for study. I am not sure how Real Deal changes this, and in fact their methods seem to be potentially more exploitable. I doubt they will rig their deal (as that is just impractical from a business perspective - sorry riggies), but if their output is indeed not random that could be an issue.

The marketing hook they are using on you and other paranoid riggies will not last long term.


Ignoring your silly translationspeak, I will point out that it is ironic you have a degree in math and statistics and yet play a ton of roulette. That just makes you a degenerate gambler, and amusingly enough you do fit the target market for Real Deal.

Problem is guys like you are fickle and will abandon Real Deal pretty quick as well.

How about 10+ billion hands of data?

The Real Deal Poker Solution = Internal Check Sytem (Shuffling machines + DeckMatrix + Game Check + some other security checks)
Within the ICS (= Internal Check System) the work job (dealing a poker hand) can be allotted to different worker (Systems) in such a way that the hole system is 100% safe and each poker hand can be certified as 100% accurate and fair.

The benefit of such a system is that it can be standardized and finally considered as a fair internet game. From my point of view is this one of the necessary requirements we need that the game can be legalized.

Currently we have a big problem with legalization due to insufficient evidence that the game is fair. I consider all the arguments of the winning players in this forum as insufficient and unproven gimmick. If u cannot convince me how do u think that u can convince a legislator - he won't believe u because u can prove nothing.

the legislator will most likely not be insane

wtf? you keep posting.

All though he finally made some sort of point, in that it's not what players think/know, it's how do you prove it to the idiots in the Government. Now that is an idea worth pushing. Not saying the RNG is bad, then use an RNG to determine which "deck matrix" my table gets.

Prove to me that these systems are not secretly working together to hurt better players. Or players who withdrew money.

Prove to me there are not secret super bots being used.

Prove to me Lizard People are not behind all of this.


I appreciate your faith, but realistically the output is all that matters with regards to statistical analysis. You will also see that once you have a few bad beats your faith will waver and patterns will start appearing at Real Deal in your mind just like they do at other sites just as they likely do as you do your professional roulette play as well...





Fine. When other riggies start whining about Real Deal poker hit them with this "logic" and see how it works. Then bet bigger on roulette.


Tons of evidence exists, you are riggies choose to ignore it as your beliefs are more faith based than logic/fact based.

Real Deal poker targeting paranoid riggies is interesting, but within a year they will just be another small skin on a network with minimal traffic and a lot of riggies saying they say patterns in their deal anyway.

Please don't be naive. The hole system can be inplanted in some sealed chips and the gambling commission regulators in these different countries need something like that to handle the controlling.

The card shuffling machines can also be under control of the gambling commissions or similar organisations like for example the German TÜV. The Game Check System on the other hand can be under control of fiscal authorities, in order to collect taxes deducted at source. Use your phantasie what this could all mean.