I find the idea behind RD still brilliant (not because of the shuffling machines - a RNG system device can do the same - only because of the verifiability), but the implementation of the concept and the way how certificates are issued by self-appointed testing companies like iTechLabs was imo lousy. There is much room for improvement in this online poker world and I think all can realize why. RD is a good example for further improvement.

Imo the best solution would look as follows:

1. Shuffling or RNG system -> deckMatrix System.
(This process should be under control of a gambling supervision commission. All pokerrooms under control of a certain gambling supervision commission use the same shuffling or RNG system.)

2. Dealing of cards by a pokerroom
(An internal check system ensures that no single person can know the cards in advance or the hole cards of opponents). The button may cut the cards.

3. GameCheck. This process should be under third-party control, for example a fiscal authority.

Does the image above mean that the RD software compared the order of cards that were in the deck for this hand and determined that it was identical to that of another hand already dealt by the software?

If so, isn't this a tad improbable given the low number of hands that have been dealt to date?

Okay I admit it I'm a shill. Here are the glowing posts I made at their forum before I stopped posting because of what I regard as censorship of free speech.

"No I knew I was beat on that hand, but given what I had seen over the last few days I wanted to confirm and see it for myself. It was everything taken together that convinces me not to play here for money. That's why I played for play money. I wanted to see what hit and in what way. After observing others and my own experience I will not be playing for money. For those who do, good luck to you. I do not think the site is as bad as PS or FT, but it isn't for me."

"Good analogy Jedi. It's been fun playing with you, edz, and the rest, but I agree with you about the state of things here. It does not play like real poker, it plays like a rigged rng. We all saw things last night that worried us. I don't want to hear the same excuses made by this site that are made by all the other online sites. It isn't right at the moment, and I have no confidence that it will be."

"To go back to the analogy, it doesn't matter what division you play in, if you're better than the other players in that division, you are going to beat them most of the time. You just want a level playing field to give you the best chance."

"To me it just doesn't feel right, and if you feel the house isn't quite right, it's a bad idea to play there. Too many strange things in a row for me. I am now hearing the same sort of excuses for this site I hear made by the kids for online sites."

"I originally decided not to play on RD. Couldn't log in using the name I had reserved. if I'd have known there would be all that trouble I would not have reserved it in the first place.

I didn't trust the way it played in the free game either. All in all, I'll stick to live. GL at the tables everyone.

I have decided instead to play in the freerolls only and take it from there. "

In free play, the game played different. What worried me was that it played like a typical online site in there were too many unlikely events all in a short space of time. Too many big hands clashing, too many big pairs clashing, and too many big hands getting stuffed by the muppet hand on consecutive occasions all in and heads up. As someone posted there on the "changing pitch conditions" thread, it seemed like an rng was being used rather than a real deal.

Live I have never seen anything resembling the ridiculous way you see set up hands and big hands clashing, and I used to be a regular player for ten years. In the last couple of years I have played less as things have been tougher. The online players have mostly gone broke. I have chosen to play less which means I don't play as well as I used to. In a year or two I can get my business sorted out then go back to playing regularly.

So to all the objective observers I would say the same thing. Compare the number of times you go in with the dominating hand on RD and compare that to the number of times you go in with a dominating hand on PS or FT and see how many you win and lose. Also compare the number of times you go in with a dominating hand on PS or FT and lose compared to the number of times the odds say you should lose.

At the moment I like what I see. The free play worried me. It's irrelevant that it's free play as well, you shouldn't see too many big hands especially preflop, clashing because it's going all the way whatever level. It's also about the odds, not who the players are and how they are playing, therefore you shouldn't see the ridiculous things you see on online sites all the time.

To the objective observers, look at what I say and the way I say it, and compare that to some of the other posts.

Keep up the hysterical and flaming posts kids.

no it means that the cards dealt did not match the original card order. in other words: rigging was detected!

wat?

How do you know that's what the error message means? Do you work for RealDeal?

How would rigging get introduced into the system? Doesn't that worry you that it's even possible? Good poker software shouldn't even have a way for "rigging" to happen.

Just to clarify you think that they keep the "original card order" stored somewhere and then they use another set of variables (I know computer talk sorry I couldn't think of a more basic way to say it) to store the card order that they deal from? Why not just use the "original card order"?

That would work great now, when there are 2 tables going. But what if it did take off and they had 5000 running?

The RD people have said (in one of the Youtube vids) that every deck that is used will be analyzed after the fact to make sure that it is not a duplicate. I'm wondering if that is what we are seeing in this error message. I obviously don't know how it works, but it seems that this is a troubling sign for their "matrix" system.

Even while they were accepting US players they did not surpass 100 rigtards. Where are these thousands upon thousands of rigtards O'Dwyer is speaking of and why aren't they helping the site grow?

It was a "soft launch" the million riggtard march will happen when it's "officially" open.

Right, the hard launch hasn't happened yet. I can't wait

That line is suppose to be a joke right?

Abso-nottly
I have confidence the riggtards will undoubtedly come to Real Deals rescue once the Real Opening happens. As soon as the patent lawyers allow it.

Currently presumably not far away. More or less the same like others. The hole online gambling business is imo a joke and RD is not much different. That said, I say good bye, also in these forums and let the haters speak.

I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Objective does not mean the same as "agrees with me."

I have done this (well except for the RD thing). And it shows that in all-in hands, my all-in equity matches my return. Funny that.

tl;dr

+1

lol. I was joking.
but yes, the whole idea of a "game certification check" that is run after the game that can actually fail is preposterous.
my best guess it is either the duplicate deck thing (which is stupid) or because their deck matrix is buggy and can result in an invalid deck.

or it is just a feature that activates randomly to give the players a warm safe feeling.

kinda reminds me of no peek blackjack

No, that feature occurs when the Rigtard actually wins a hand (because he is playing against other idiots) then pisses himself.

Their CEO says this and then they go and get certified by the same agency that verifies the integrity of Stars and FT? Yeah, these guys r teh smrt

It boggles the mind doesn't it.

Can 2+2ers please refrain from discussing stats and strategy on the RDP forums?

Specially refrain from pointing out that they are fish. That serves no purpose.

Also, don't put links to 2+2 in their threads.

I like it when their best strategists explain their A6 limping as "Loose Aggressive Deceptive" strategy, and prefer if no one tries to educate them.

I for one, am going to start posting images of cute kittens and discussions about where it is most lucky to cut the cards. I am hoping that RDP will attract a lot of players that have not had success elsewhere, and I would like those players to be welcomed by a friendly forum that is ready to accept them without confusing them with doubts about their poker abilities.

Sounds like a good suggestion.

I have not posted strat there. But have read the forum. Have you seen the madness? What you are saying is like telling everyone to stop telling rigtards that it's not rigged. I agree with you, just saying it won't make any difference.