NO ,, i am not making this up, and yes realdealpoker has affiliates,

He's ignored my questions and suggestions. He then proceeded to fail miserably for it. I'm pretty sure I have every right to ridicule him. He's come in here plenty of times and acted high and mighty. He's told us that we're too stupid to understand his ideas. When in reality we were providing plenty of constructive criticism. If he'd listened maybe he wouldn't be burning money.

Amazingly enough plenty of people have provided you constructive criticism and you're blatantly ignoring their advice as well. <Dr. Phil>How's that working out for you?</Dr. Phil>

Yes RDP had affiliates. I know of one who sent 48 players to the site. But none stayed.
Possibility because of low number of players and no rakeback.
ANDRE : Did you see the post a few days ago by GENE saying eveyone will we paid. Have you sent him a PM here as he does visit this site occasionally

If they actually did their affiliate program to pay people based just on sign ups and not based on rake generated then they really decided to do everything as badly as possible.

No idea how this here today and gone tomorrow site will handle it, but I know Party definitely did not pay affiliates who signed up a ton of players who never really played, and I remember one guy whining about not being paid when he signed up 100 guys, most of whom were just his gnomes.

No idea how Real Deal set up their affiliate arrangements, but I would not count on getting paid much if all you did was sign up 48 guys who in the end never played, and nobody should really need to explain why this is the case.

He said he was a prop player though. Not the affiliate themselves. As far as I understand it a prop player gets paid for playing. I'm not sure if they do rakeback, $/hour, $/hand or what, but it's something along those lines. If he played under that agreement then he needs to get paid.

If he met the terms of prop playing (generally starting new tables) then he should get paid accordingly based on whatever the terms were of of that deal, and I suspect Real Deal Poker will pay all $10-$100 or whatever before they shut down.

The other fellow mentioned affiliate type of arrangements, and one of the most common form of affiliate fraud were guys who signed up a ton of players who never played then expected their $50 per signup. I would assume Real Deal will not compensate affiliates like that for valid reasons, and I would assume they have language in their affiliate contracts to cover that situation.

Real Deal is nothing special other than the bizarre approach they took to the industry in trying to make a meaningless segment (riggies who have riggie beliefs be their primary room choice condition) the target of their product, which pretty much doomed them to failure.

still no rake payment ,,rdp owes me several hundreds of euros i played thousands and thousands of hands i am a prop player who signed up with a major affiliate ,i get a very high rake rate ,it is 95 % , i have been in contact with rdp support, and they are trying to get me answer from management, i also was in contact with my affiliate ,and they are also trying to get an answer from the rdp affiliate team ,, still no ansewrs and no rake payment the rake payment is usually paid on tuesday. I can tell you though that i have been paid all of my rake for the last three weeks , this is the first time i have not been paid .

@ andre

Better fix your post, unless you want to give them reason not to pay you.

Have you read the Prop player T&C ?

yes ,,i have read the T&C , there is not anything there that prevents me from posting ,i have not posted who my affiliate is if you are refrring to the 95% , there is nothing wrong with that, at least i am being honost

How the hell did you play "thousands and thousands" of hands on a site with 7 players on at the same time?

There are more then 7 players 15-20, usually sometimes there are 25-30 it is not two hard to have a large volume of hands when you play 12-14 hrs a day.

Not looking good for the veracity of Gene's sanctimonious rant about the safety of player's funds.

Hey Walter, hey andre. Let's be clear on one point: Rackback is *payment* not winnings.

Dude, if you're a prop player, you're an employee of the card room.

So what makes you think your *fees* for propping are more important than other players winnings and deposits?

BTW, for andre to be playing *thousands* of hands, he'd have to be playing every hand dealt in the fricken room.

I call BS on his claim of thousands of hands. andre, let's see the emails you sent to RDP. What's your screen name on RDP?

And Walter, speaking of sanctimonious, you read your own posts.

I played there for a few days and racked up over 100e in rakeback and I didn't even play that much. There were alot more players a few weeks ago when a affiliate ran a special promo on top of the prop deals

Meh, I don't think it's a great post. Just give assurances that the money is safe and get on with it. There's no reason to go into "attack on my personal character" and "I was a Marine and served my country" etc. Such "sky is falling" warnings and fears are typical of every site whether warranted or not.

Somebody can post on here that Stars or FT are in danger and you should consider getting your money out of there ASAP and that wouldn't lead to the owner of the site going, "OMG....that's an attack on my personal character!"

In fact, it is super-common around here to advise customers to limit their risk on these sites by keeping their bankrolls a bit lower "in case anything happens." I have given such advice myself. Mostly I was talking about being hacked or getting your funds locked or taken by being incorrect accused of cheating or botting but it can also refer to the remote possibility that there is some weird legislation thing or cashouts somehow vanish for a really long time. Pretty unlikely but you never know.

But even with the part about cheating the sites could argue, "that's an assault on our character. We don't take money from players who do nothing wrong. You're money is safe with us and to imply otherwise is the worst possible thing you could ever say about me personally."

This guy didn't say anything about the funds on RDP that's any different than what "sky is falling" types say about pretty much every other site. And this doesn't even address your point where small sites on the verge of collapse really do have a very obvious risk and actual history of running away with their customers' funds and not paying out.

With all that said, I think the "attack on my personal character" and all the other stuff in that post is silly. Just give assurances why the money should be considered safe and be done with it.

Prop deals don't work this way and it sounds more like an affiliate took you for a ride to get you on board (which makes me think they also weren't a 'major affiliate' at all). The affiliate would have to be owned by the cardroom themselves in order for the prop to be structured this way.

To be honest this post had the opposite effect then desired on me. I'm extremely suspicious the second somebody starts trying to over-explain themselves to me and the bolded portions above either fall into that category or manipulative text (once again in my opinion). Why was it neccessary? The post would have packed a lot more punch without it.

I posted something about this prop deal ages ago in this thread, you really have no clue what you're talking about.

Although him mentioning he's a prop etc... does break the terms of his agreement even though he doesn't say who his affiliate is, although the affiliate/site broke the agreement first by not paying on time.

I actually own an affiliate myself (if you don't believe this claim you can search for my name on 2p2 to verify). Prop deals (typically) aren't managed through outside affiliates and are run / managed by an affiliate owned by the site itself (or run directly through the site).

That said, this could be different for Big Bet Poker but it would surprise me.

This affiliate has prop deals for a few sites, and some of them would be considered established sites(but outside of the top 10(from pokerscout)). I also know of another affiliate that has prop deals for these same established sites.

reported.



(and no, it wasn't a "great" post, just Gene's best to date. I was trying to encourage him...)

ya thats exactly what you were doing

"The louder he spoke of his honour, the faster we counted our spoons." -Ralph Waldo Emerson

As for being a licensed CPA and a former Marine bestowing integrity on its members, Arthur Andersen was filled with licensed CPAs and this guy was a Marine.

But was the real shooter on the grassy knoll a marine or CIA ?? LOL

A friend of mine is a prop at this site and apparently someone went on holiday and the person left in charge only paid rakeback. From what I can tell, support made an error, but he said he's got his prop money now.