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05-01-2010 , 07:26 PM
@spadebidder

I think Robert C. Hannum Professor of Statistics at the University of Denver was the inventor of this ingenious DeckMatrix System.

http://mysite.du.edu/~rhannum/
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05-01-2010 , 09:36 PM
I didn't know this old 2+2 thread (which were closed) and have to correct something:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0&postcount=21
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Originally posted by wildef:
I am marketing director for realdealpoker.com. Thank god for skeptics. That is exactly why we designed this site, our founder is a skeptic. let me answer some of the things brought up. First, if you do some online study on random number generators you will find they are actually pseudo-random number generators. The only true random card game is an efficiently scrambled and shuffled deck of cards. See Dr. Robert Hannum's analysis of our decks on our website at gioiasystems.com. Our machine does not know values, or care, it just randomizes physical objects. We will have an independent software security company audit our software for abnormalities and backdoors on a monthly, unannounced basis and the results of the audits will available on our website. We also will allow any player to call for an audit of any game for a small fee to cover the cost. This audit will be done by a independent, recognized audit company back to a video capture of the orginal deal that the game was based upon. We have tried very hard to build a game that can be trusted and will continue to improve if we find glitches. Thanks for the interest.
Denver man hopes online poker system will score
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Poker websites run largely without the hands-on oversight common to U.S. casinos, and how each site generates its deals isn’t always obvious, said Bob Hannum, a University of Denver statistics professor.

Hannum consults with Nevada casinos and gaming regulators about how to ensure that gaming meets legal requirements for being random.

Hannum looked at the principles of the Real Deal system at Gioia’s request.

“You can trust his shuffles to be random,” Hannum said.
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05-01-2010 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by McSeafield
I didn't know this old 2+2 thread (which were closed) and have to correct something:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0&postcount=21


Denver man hopes online poker system will score
Nobody is challenging the fact that his machine creates a random deal. What is your point?
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05-01-2010 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Nobody is challenging the fact that his machine creates a random deal. What is your point?
Nobody is not correct. I am sure you have no doubts about the randomness. But I found also this somewhere:

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This is just an easy way to promote a new poker site (-> link to various affiliated poker sites). What BS.
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05-01-2010 , 10:18 PM
Where in the world do you get the idea that this:

"This is just an easy way to promote a new poker site (-> link to various affiliated poker sites). What BS."

says anything about Real Deal not having a random deal, lol.
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05-01-2010 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by McSeafield
Nobody is not correct. I am sure you have no doubts about the randomness. But I found also this somewhere:
It might make your point a little better if your quote actually showed someone doubting the machine creates a random deal.
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05-01-2010 , 10:27 PM
lol
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05-01-2010 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by heater
Where in the world do you get the idea that this:

"This is just an easy way to promote a new poker site (-> link to various affiliated poker sites). What BS."

says anything about Real Deal not having a random deal, lol.
It says clearly that Real Deal Poker is BS and I say that "What BS" is a nice self-assessment. Since I (normally) don't place links to affiliate forums in my posts I can't make my point a little better.
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05-01-2010 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by McSeafield
It says clearly that Real Deal Poker is BS and I say that "What BS" is a nice self-assessment. Since I (normally) don't place links to affiliate forums in my posts I can't make my point a little better.
and the words "not random" are where, exactly?
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05-01-2010 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by heater
and the words "not random" are where, exactly?
I don't like to read 112 + 31 + xx - (perhaps 13) = 130 + xx pages of hater stuff. I'm currently satisfied with the following:

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Originally Posted by RealDealFDR
1. I am not able at this time to reveal the specifics of the Deck Matrix only because of the proprietary nature of some of it's fundamentals and it's ability to give us the scalability needed to supply and online gaming operation. Please do not take it as being evasive, we have spent five years to build these systems and a substantial amount of capital and need to protect the nature of this innovative solution. Having said that, I will be very forthright with a complete explanation of its workings as soon as our patent attorneys advise that we can do so. In any event there are four patents that our public record at the U.S. Patent office and anyone is free to read those documents. The matrix system itself was subjected to a thorough examination by the independent gaming laboratory testing the system on behalf of the Gambling Supervision Control Board.
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05-01-2010 , 11:10 PM
Seems like a lot of spam itt today. Or at least smoke and mirrors. I thought they were opening in mid April. Is it open for real money? Or are we waiting on Patent attorneys to give the OK?
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05-01-2010 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by McSeafield
I don't like to read 112 + 31 + xx - (perhaps 13) = 130 + xx pages of hater stuff. I'm currently satisfied with the following:
That's good, because so is everybody else. Nobody is saying their deal isn't random, lol.
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05-02-2010 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by McSeafield
I don't like to read 112 + 31 + xx - (perhaps 13) = 130 + xx pages of hater stuff. I'm currently satisfied with the following:
Fair enough. So why respond to this:

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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Nobody is challenging the fact that his machine creates a random deal. What is your point?
wth this:

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Originally Posted by McSeafield
Nobody is not correct. I am sure you have no doubts about the randomness. But I found also this somewhere:
followed by you quoting someone who said nothing about randomness?

In the future, you could just save us all some time by posting something like "Some people don't think it's random, but I don't like to read 112 + 31 + xx - (perhaps 13) = 130 + xx pages of hater stuff to find a quote. Instead I'll just quote this guy to show you what haters there are."
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05-02-2010 , 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by RealDealFDR
If dealing real decks of cards in a poker game where as bad as some of you make it out out to be, then why hasn't the WSOP gone to an RNG system and electronic tables to deal the thousands of games played during the month and a half it runs each year.
Gene, the answer should be obvious even to you. The WSOP is a live tourney event

My concerns over your site do not really centre around your dealing matrix. You have spent 5 years developing a system that was not needed. All we want is a fair random deal and RNG's give this. Although there are a number of rigtards that we all know about even these still play online because deep down they know it's random anyway. They are just looking for excuses to explain their poor play and results.

My concern with you and your site has been the way you have used shills in various guises to try and promote it. StephenMeares was the worst of these but you have used many more names. If these names were you then you should be ashamed of yourself and if they were your partners/employees you should still feel ashamed.

I don't appreciate such underhand tactics and for that reason alone would never trust your site to do the right thing.
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05-02-2010 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Fair enough. So why respond to this:
wth this: followed by you quoting someone who said nothing about randomness?
because he spoke only about BS.

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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
In the future, you could just save us all some time by ... not answering stupid question
Thanks, I will do that.
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05-02-2010 , 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by McSeafield
Thanks, I will do that.
I'd appreciate it in the future if you'd make some indication that you were changing my quote.
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05-02-2010 , 06:20 AM
I'm still wondering why these idiots are running the Everleaf software. If they're going to go on and on about innovation, then maybe they should develop EVERYTHING on their own and be...you know, independent? And are the other skins switching over to this machine deal or whatever it is?
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05-02-2010 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Rek
You have spent 5 years developing a system that was not needed. All we want is a fair random deal and RNG's give this.
I would guess that more than 50% of all posters in this forum think something else, not only the rigtards.

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Originally Posted by Rek
Although there are a number of rigtards that we all know about even these still play online because deep down they know it's random anyway. They are just looking for excuses to explain their poor play and results.
Sounds for me as follows: “I am afraid to loose some fish - my best friends - and fear still other consequences. Furthermore, I am not interested that any poker hand is certified by gambling regulators. I also have no clue what state regulators might want in the future.”

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Originally Posted by Rek
My concern with you and your site has been the way you have used shills in various guises to try and promote it. StephenMeares was the worst of these but you have used many more names. If these names were you then you should be ashamed of yourself and if they were your partners/employees you should still feel ashamed.

I don't appreciate such underhand tactics and for that reason alone would never trust your site to do the right thing.
Welcome in the world of rigtards. It takes all sorts to make a better world.
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05-02-2010 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by McSeafield
I would guess that more than 50% of all posters in this forum think something else, not only the rigtards.
you have completely lost touch with reality, then

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Sounds for me as follows: “I am afraid to loose some fish - my best friends - and fear still other consequences. Furthermore, I am not interested that any poker hand is certified by gambling regulators. I also have no clue what state regulators might want in the future.”
don't care about any of this

another mighty Everleaf skin

over/under on number of real money players on Real Deal one year from now is tiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnyyyyy, imo
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05-02-2010 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by heater
you have completely lost touch with reality, then
Think about what u say. 50% - ~37,5% ~= 12,5% - x% cheaters - x% people who have no opinion at all.
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05-02-2010 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by McSeafield
Think about what u say. 50% - ~37,5% ~= 12,5% - x% cheaters - x% people who have no opinion at all.
you do realize that poll is a joke, right?

look at some of the people who answered yes, lol
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05-02-2010 , 09:38 AM
Don't need 2+2 polls to unterstand reality. I know already what selection and survivorship bias mean and have a pretty straightforward idea how many winning players exist. The only percentages I don't know is the proportion of the cheaters and shills among the so-called winning players and the proportion of affiliates among all 2+2 posters.
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05-02-2010 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by McSeafield
have a pretty straightforward idea how many winning players exist.
I doubt you do, as most people believe the myths. Tell me what you think and I'll tell you the real statistic for online poker.
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05-02-2010 , 09:41 AM
yeah, it's all a giant affiliate-driven conspiracy because they all fear the MASSIVE IMPACT that Real Deal Poker is going to have on their bottom line, lol
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05-02-2010 , 09:44 AM
WTF is up with this McSea guy? All of a sudden it's like he is RealDealFDR. Watching this whole Deal is frustrating. And it's getting to the point of pissing me off, to where I think Real Deal is back to full of sh*t. Answer the questions or just STFO.
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