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03-16-2010 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Andronicus
People seem pretty bothered by this, so I am going to try to explain it a little better. Our computer set up is very nice. It is devoted to poker. The computer is very nice; we have two big screen monitors; our workspace that is set up around it; we keep the computer completely clean; we have a good security system on it. Like the rest of you, we are worried about key loggers, hackers, viruses, etc. We have strict rules on our computer and don't open it up to potential threats. If our kids have to use it, they under some pretty strict rules.

So, no, we can't just go out and buy a similar computer for $400. If we end up buying another computer, we are going to spend a lot more than that. We have set up and devoted our office and our computer to poker. It doesn't make sense for us to have a whole other setup when this one works just fine for us. Quite frankly, our office is not that big, and it would be really difficult to try to fit two setups like the one we have now into our office space. At the very least, it would make it extremely crowded. Also, if we were to get some cheap $400 computer, neither of us is going to want to play on that computer when we have such a nice setup on the one we have now. Neither of us would even want to play on a laptop. You are not going to have two huge monitors playing on a laptop. When we do get another computer, it's not just going to be a $400 setup. It will be a similar setup to the one we have now.

Ultimately, we really do enjoy spending time together and poker has been a really good opportunity for us to do that. Our system works for us. We have found that we both get better at poker by coaching and helping one another, and our relationship gets deposits in it as well.
Well, a $400 cheapo (personally, its the type I use for Poker, I'm one person with 2 computers), would have saved you all this trouble. AND, you still haven't addressed the Shared Database issue - which is against any sites TOS, but is only on ONE computer. I guess you pay a lot for convenience, huh?

Last edited by Mike Haven; 07-06-2010 at 09:42 AM.
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03-16-2010 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Andronicus
As I explained to FTPSean:

"A large part of our family's funds are tied up in our Full Tilt accounts, and we'd like to be able to access them and we'd like to be able to play poker again."

This is not any small amount of money. Neither I nor my wife can access any of our funds. Keep in mind that we do have three kids. This is a serious strain on our family. But, I don't think Full Tilt cares.
Regardless of OP's guilt or innocence the above statement really bothers me. If I had any dependents whatsoever, I would never ever have them financially strained by keeping money online. That's just common sense.

Furthermore, any personal strain has no bearing on FT's decision, nor should it.

If OP is truly innocent, I hope all works out. If not, I hope the three kids are OK.

BO
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03-16-2010 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
The Fraud Dept. and the Security Dept. appears to be located here:

Pocket Kings Ltd
3rd Floor, Block AD
Cherrywood Science and Technology Park
Loughlinstown
Dublin 18
Tel: +353 1 239 3664
Fax:+353 1 239 3602

I deduced that from looking at their advertisements for a Fraud Manager and Security Analysts here:

http://www.pocketkings.ie/Jobs/DQ04
http://www.pocketkings.ie/Jobs/BN01

which puts the Fraud Operations Manager at the address above, as well as the Security Analysts.
The owning Corporation is still in the US.
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03-16-2010 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FutureInsights
The owning Corporation is still in the US.
Ummm, that wasn't the question. You think most people on this forum don't know about Tiltware? And I guarantee you that no ownership can be traced to Tiltware in L.A., so forget that.
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03-16-2010 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Ummm, that wasn't the question. You think most people on this forum don't know about Tiltware? And I guarantee you that no ownership can be traced to Tiltware in L.A., so forget that.
Dunno about tiltware, filc was what I was talking about? They the same?

Actually, filc is not in L.A., different state, so they are not the owning corporation (to find this, look up the licensees under Alderney)

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03-17-2010 , 12:01 AM
I swear if OP is lying and the same person did play on both accounts then very very WP sir because you are super believable.
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03-17-2010 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ktulu22
Because I imagine the stats would be identical.

Just don't understand what would be gained from having 2 accounts unless he was either running a bot or was shortstacking and was trying to get around the ratholing time limit
obv possibility is Double dipping Iron Man(ie..Double medals , double YE bonus , double mid year bonus..I am not saying that why but it would add up to a nice sum of cash..How many high volume player would like to double or triple the value of Iron Man????

I am a single father of a 10yr old and I can not imagine having only one computer nor do I ever let her touch my computer with all my information on it..Kids on a adults computer is a disaster waiting to happen...
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03-17-2010 , 12:28 AM
well, this one is easy

post your account names.
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03-17-2010 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MonkeyPox
OP, has either you or your wife left a table and the other immediately sat down?
I'm sure this has happened. But, we are not trying to gain some kind of unfair advantage. We are just each trying to get our session in for the day. Like I said, we don't play HU and the very few times one of us has, the other would not then sit on that table. We don't think that would be right. If we do get on the same table, this is more a matter of there being a limited number of tables at the stakes and/or a table has a good player/flop ratio or high avg pot size. Neither of us wants to play with just a bunch of regs. But, even if we saw a table that the other was on that had a good player/flop ratio or a good avg pot ratio, it would be difficult to get on. Most tables tend to have wait lists. So, if one of us signs up on a wait list on a table the other was on, it's difficult to get on that table anyhow. Most of our sessions tend to pretty short. So, often our session is over before our name even gets called. And, even if it is called, the fish are usually long gone anyhow. Also, neither of us hardly ever plays more than one session a day. It's not like we are hopping on one account, then the other, then the first again, etc. We each just normally play one session a day. If there is a second session (rare occurrence), it is hours later.
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03-17-2010 , 12:34 AM
IDK, I'm getting a distinct whiff of B.S. here...

I mean, who's this extraordinary wife that is raising 3 kids and crushing 5/10 online in her spare time? What's her 2+2 ID, or she just learned to soul-read on her own, and doesn't care about keeping up with the poker community despite playing high limits? And what's with the switching back and forth? It might be true, who knows, but if so, it still sounds very weird.

But the lesson remains the same as always for the rest of us, which is that doing anything that looks the least bit shady on FTP can bring down the banhammer real fast.

Last edited by pineapple888; 03-17-2010 at 12:40 AM.
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03-17-2010 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by pineapple888
I mean, who's this extraordinary wife that is raising 3 kids and crushing 5/10 online in her spare time? What's her 2+2 ID, or she just learned to soul-read on her own? And what's with the switching back and forth? It might be true, who knows, but if so, it still sounds very weird.
How sexist is that? So women can't be professionals, in this case poker, and a good parent at the same time? You seriously need to step outside of that little box you live in...
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03-17-2010 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by aggo
well, this one is easy

post your account names.
This is not going to happen. We have already been burned once because I released my screen name on this site. We are not going to make the same mistake again. Besides, my wife has asked I not release her screen name here.

Full Tilt already knows our screen names and has all our hands. We gave them a link to this thread. Full Tilt can look at any of the statements we've made here or in email. And, they can compare the accuracy of anything we've said here or in email. Right now, we have some faith and hope that Full Tilt will end up doing the right thing.
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03-17-2010 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by cjhmdm
How sexist is that? So women can't be professionals, in this case poker, and a good parent at the same time? You seriously need to step outside of that little box you live in...
Did I say that, fool?

Of course women can do all that. But the odds are enormously against finding one who DOES. I don't particularly care why, argue about that with somebody else.

I mean, how many women with 3 kids spend a bunch of effort constructing push/fold charts for high-stakes 30BB CAP games? One?
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03-17-2010 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by KEW
obv possibility is Double dipping Iron Man(ie..Double medals , double YE bonus , double mid year bonus)..I am not saying that why but it would add up to a nice sum of cash..How many high volume player would like to double or triple the value of Iron Man????
There we go...that is definitely a possible motivating factor. I could definitely see someone doing this...especially given that they both play one session a day right after each other. Get those Iron Man points for both accounts and call it a day.

Again...I have no clue what is going on here, but you just get the feeling that something strange is going on when reading the posts from the OP. We'll see...maybe it is just a huge mistake, but they are quite the poker playing power couple in that case. You may consider having a little more concern for your kids in the future and not keep so much online and so little offline where your family is suddenly strained and distraught at the temporary freezing (it must be if you have done nothing wrong), of your accounts.
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03-17-2010 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by pineapple888
Did I say that, fool?

Of course women can do all that. But the odds are enormously against it. I don't particularly care why, argue about that with somebody else.

I mean, how many women with 3 kids spend a bunch of effort constructing push/fold charts for high-stakes 30BB CAP games? One?
How many women with 3 kids have full time jobs in which they greatly excel at? Fool.

Just because her job in this case is playing poker at home doesn't make it any less believable than any other successful women in the world.

Again, step out of the little box of a world you live in.

Here's an example for you, since it seems so hard to believe... My ex wife, mother of 2 herself remarried a guy with 2 kids of his own.. so raising 4 kids in all went from being a simple main office secretary for a small construction company to a field project manager for the state of MD (US) in 6 years time, now making 10x the amount she was when she first started...
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03-17-2010 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Andronicus
This is not going to happen. We have already been burned once because I released my screen name on this site. We are not going to make the same mistake again. Besides, my wife has asked I not release her screen name here.

Full Tilt already knows our screen names and has all our hands. We gave them a link to this thread. Full Tilt can look at any of the statements we've made here or in email. And, they can compare the accuracy of anything we've said here or in email. Right now, we have some faith and hope that Full Tilt will end up doing the right thing.
Okay, back to the Shared Database thing, you do realize that this is considered Datamining? Hopefully, the right thing is restoration of one account, and that you buy another computer - then delete the combined database.

But - that's not an issue for you?
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03-17-2010 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jmillerdls
There we go...that is definitely a possible motivating factor. I could definitely see someone doing this...especially given that they both play one session a day right after each other. Get those Iron Man points for both accounts and call it a day.

Again...I have no clue what is going on here, but you just get the feeling that something strange is going on when reading the posts from the OP. We'll see...maybe it is just a huge mistake, but they are quite the poker playing power couple in that case. You may consider having a little more concern for your kids in the future and not keep so much online and so little offline where your family is suddenly strained and distraught at the temporary freezing (it must be if you have done nothing wrong), of your accounts.
Yeah.

Or maybe the kids don't exist either. Which would go a long way towards explaining OP's otherwise baffling approach to money management and IT resource deployment.

Occam's Razor FTW. But I don't particularly care, so carry on.
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03-17-2010 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by cjhmdm
How sexist is that? So women can't be professionals, in this case poker, and a good parent at the same time? You seriously need to step outside of that little box you live in...
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Originally Posted by pineapple888
Did I say that, fool?

Of course women can do all that. But the odds are enormously against it. I don't particularly care why, argue about that with somebody else.

I mean, how many women with 3 kids spend a bunch of effort constructing push/fold charts for high-stakes 30BB CAP games? One?
pineapple, I can tell you that I am not the stereotypical father either. I spend as much time with our kids as my wife does. I am just as close to them and just as much as a nurturer as she is. So, maybe we don't fit your stereotypical image of us. Maybe I'm not the stereotypical father. And maybe she's not the stereotypical mother because she plays poker or whatever. That's okay with us. We feel pretty good about our family and how we're raising it.
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03-17-2010 , 01:04 AM
May be a stupid question, but, I play Micro's and did not want my account or my wife's account locked. So when she opened an account, before playing a hand we contacted Full Tilt and asked what the policy was. They requested ID be sent by both of us for their file. Did you not do this?

After his response:
OK, Good to know. Gl
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03-17-2010 , 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Got Nutz?
May be a stupid question, but, I play Micro's and did not want my account or my wife's account locked. So when she opened an account, before playing a hand we contacted Full Tilt and asked what the policy was. They requested ID be sent by both of us for their file. Did you not do this?
Yes we did this.
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03-17-2010 , 01:06 AM
I'm thinking OP is mistaking low post count to lack of knowledge. Oh well, whatever.

Actually, I'm pretty sure of it now.

Last edited by FutureInsights; 03-17-2010 at 01:07 AM. Reason: Andronicus of Utah doesn't like to respond to my posts.
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03-17-2010 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by pineapple888
Yeah.

Or maybe the kids don't exist either. Which would go a long way towards explaining OP's otherwise baffling approach to money management and IT resource deployment.

Occam's Razor FTW. But I don't particularly care, so carry on.
So then the post he made 2 years ago regarding his daughter and playing underage was bogus too then, all leading up to the day that he could one day amaze us all with his outstanding story telling and lying that could at any time be refuted by Full Tilt; which, in this case would have to be in on so to speak since they have yet to reply in an official capacity whatsoever outside of the standard automated email replies; and would easily be able to refute his claims and explanations at any time if he were in fact lying...

Truth be told, I am still considering the angle that someone at FT screwed up royally by leaking emails, and instead of them taking responsibility for it simply locked the account of the guy who called them on it... For me, there would be less blow back from them locking his account, especially given his circumstances, then there would be if they were exposed of selling/leaking their players' personal information...

And in this case, benefit of doubt would have to go to the OP, especially considering he's seemingly been nothing but open and honest.. and aside from posting his and his wife's account names, which I would never do myself, has responded to every request from the people here at 2p2...

If he is indeed lying, then well, he'll be exposed in the end; and he'll likely get an eGrammy for his amazing ability to act and deceive.

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03-17-2010 , 01:12 AM
I can totally see this as being one of those deals where FTP smells something fishy, can't prove it, lets you cash out but basically says you're no longer welcome there. There's no way they confiscate the balance unless there's clear proof of cheating, but there appears to be strong evidence/suspicion of multiaccounting here and if based on their analysis they suspect it strongly enough, that'll probably be the most logical way to go.

EDIT: This will never happen but it would be really interesting to see sessions played by both husband and wife using a webcam as proof. (not necessarily publicly but at least to demonstrate to FTP)
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03-17-2010 , 01:21 AM
Well I'm out. Maybe we'll get lucky and Full Tilt will have a decision on this tomorrow.
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03-17-2010 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
I can totally see this as being one of those deals where FTP smells something fishy, can't prove it, lets you cash out but basically says you're no longer welcome there. There's no way they confiscate the balance unless there's clear proof of cheating, but there appears to be strong evidence/suspicion of multiaccounting here and if based on their analysis they suspect it strongly enough, that'll probably be the most logical way to go.

EDIT: This will never happen but it would be really interesting to see sessions played by both husband and wife using a webcam as proof. (not necessarily publicly but at least to demonstrate to FTP)
According to the responses they gave him, they had proof.. Surely they wouldn't lie (sarcasm on the last part)

I was thinking about the same thing though regarding the webcam thing.. but considering from the experiences of a lot of people, it's hard enough to get a live response from them let alone have them actively watch you playing via webcam.
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