There is no tone at all i said 'PLEASE try reading the whole thread'

I could have quite easy just said read the ******* thread you dumb **** or something along the lines of that but i was trying to point out that you didn't read the thread fully and you trying to point out holes in his story had holes in it

Ah, gotcha.

That post can be read either way, imo. I hope your way is correct.

My mistake guys.. I misread what the OP said in that paragraph... too much posting while tired I guess.

I liked the analogy of full till investigation being comparable to the witch hunts. Confess you are a witch and we will be lenient. Op and wife have to admit to doing something wrong with no option of professing their innocence. It is hard to prove you are innoncent or prove yourself innocent of charges if you don't know what those charges are.

It really dosen't sound like OP did anything wrong. Full TIlt should not allow 2 accounts for one house hold if it is such a problem. Full Tilt was aware of Op and wife having seperate accounts. Full Tilt is claiming that one player played exclusively on both accounts if im understanding correctly.

What botheres me the most with Full TIlts security is that they can make blanket accusations without any proof of wrong doing. Proof as in specific hands tournaments etc. I have seen this in numerous situations where players have had their accounts closed.

I hope op is reinstated and Full Tilt issues apology if it cannot provide proof that OP did something wrong.

Mike, he was talking about a head's up table, I put it in bold. This was missed and why IMO people got carried away. You obv can't be at the same HU table and he was saying if one left(logged out) the other rarely joined (logged in then joined the same table that hubby left)
Hope that helps.

OP - please address this question that several people have raised now:

With one computer, why would this decision even be necessary? Why is it not a moot point that needs no further mention once you established you have only a single computer?

How would it be possible for you to do so, and how would this even be a consideration that needs mentioning? You realize that it is impossible to log in to two FT accounts simultaneously on one computer, right?

Why did you not simply point out that it is impossible for you to play together since you only have one computer? I understand the one occasion you said you borrowed a computer, but consider the statements above reworded like this:



See the absurdity? You should try to clear this up.


Edit: also I'm pretty sure that the FT software knows your MAC address every time you connect, so either way they will know.

after reading this im seriously considering unloading ftp and shipping it all to stars account.
this is pretty unacceptable

good luck op

If your cool history is true (I don`t think so) I've got a question for your wife, acording to both graphs:

Why the hell do you still let your husband play poker??

After reading all those texts, I can easily come to some conclusions.

1st OP you should buy another computer since it would make your wife and your life much more profitable.

2nd I suspect datamining because you share your computer with your wife and you play roughly the same stakes (from what you admitted)

I do believe you're honest in everything you said, however I do believe you should give out your screename to a respected 2=2 poster who could make some verification to add weight to your credibility.

If I was in the security department of any poker room (which I am not) I would probably close one of the account and transfer the money to the other one as you previously offered in your e-mail to FullTilt Poker.

Hope everything works out for you.

Why would anyone give a graph of their own results a file name in 3rd person, as if painting a scene with actors, none of whom are himself?

Just another little tell, with little or no significance on its own.

My bet is on the alleged single computer - nicely caught!

My best bet is that this seemed very suspicious to the security staff. It does see like one person was logging in and out between the two accounts. Of course the way you describe your play sessions it makes perfect sense.

My feel is you're pretty much innocent. The worst thing I can come up with that you might be doing is sharing a database. That's against the rules and all, but I can totally understand it given your situation. Heck I don't even know how you'd go about setting things up so you'd have separate databases. I'm sure there's a way. It's probably a pain though.

The only angle I can think of here is double iron man rewards. That seems like a pretty lame thing to go after given the risk. I mean maybe at best they could swing an extra $2,000 a year out of duplicate iron man bonuses. Not really worth it at their stakes IMO.

The angle of hiding a bots activity doesn't seem to make much sense either. Using the same computer/ip address would seem like a dead giveaway. I don't think it would hide much from the security team. It might actually raise red flags quicker. Plus I'd think the point there would be to play nearly 24/7. Which it sounds like they're far from doing even with both accounts combined.

In the end I think Full Tilt will say there are a lot of warning signs but no proof of real wrong doing. The problem is sometimes they close accounts just because of enough warning signs. Good luck OP I think you deserve to have your accounts reinstated.

i kinda like this point. If i was uploading a graph of my graph i would call it my graph

just another small thing as you say, but stick it with everything else...

This is weird...how CAN you even be in the situation to avoid each other if you claim to play on the same computer??

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Sorry, point was already discussed excessively...am now current with the post

The sollution should be quite simple, we only need some scales...

If OP's weight is less or equal then the weight of a duck he is a multiaccounting shortstacker ...simple as that

post your hem stats of the both of you?

OP - personally I would be bashing the phones ringing them every 10 minutes - why haven't you? you were given contact numbers earlier in the thread!

I'm bumping this because nobody commented on it.
Might be no big deal maybe but I found these interesting.

The first e-mail is the only one sent to FT in the wife's name.
OP sent the other three.

OP's and wife's e-mails have same grammatical error.

Op's last email contradicts wife's and his own e-mails regarding who changed
passwords and e-mail addresses.

If anyone really wants to figure out the OP's identity to look up stats and history, he posted a hand history on this forum a while back and gave the screen name for the player in the hand with him, and it was a well-known mid-stakes regular. All you have to do is find that player's hands for the date of the hand, on PTR (where I have no subscription) or a similar tracking site.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56...d-i-do-347723/

OP is button.

^^^This

^^^This

^^^And really this


is probably all the evidence a judge would need (if this was criminal in any way) to hand out a search warrant and to have your computer confiscated. (Along with all the other things mentioned in this thread) Now I know this is not criminal but if it was, you would have detectives knocking on your door by now. Good luck.

I'm kind of confused here and really curious to see how this plays out. It seems unlikely to me that OP is being entirely honest here given the increasing number of small inconsistencies and oddities. But making some huge drama bomb, blowing his 2+2 rep, and all this over multiaccounting seems almost too strange to believe. The standard operating procedure for multiple accounts seems to just be to transfer funds to the oldest account and shut down the new one. It's not like he's being accused of botting or whatever.

Either way I think OP really messed up in making this thread directly implying that Full Tilt shut down his account[s] because of something he said about them in another thread. If FTP was interested in banning players who did anything short of praise them on these forums, there wouldn't be too many players left on FTP! It's just not the most diplomatic decision to go slandering somebody while simultaneously asking them to believe you at your word when there is plenty of evidence supporting the contrary that they could easily choose to believe instead of you.

I'm a bit curious about the "From: ... Add contact" that these emails expose where a real person's name would be (or be XXXd out). Where does that come from? I'd expect to be seeing something like "From: xxxx@xxxx John Smith" instead.

I've read the entire thread and I have to agree with the criticism of OP and his story. The only saving grace for him is his expressed eagerness to have Fulltilt call and speak to both him and his wife. I'd love to hear that conversation.

this guy should lose his platform here immediately if he refuses to out his screen names. I dont care if he posts a hand from 2008. It might not even be his hand, and it might be an from another account.

lock thread imo.

basically he is trying to say in a roundabout way that nothing malicious was done intentional, so he should get off free imo. He is purposely vague everywhere and careful with his wording so much to even tempt a smidgen of wrongdoing, especially when he discusses if they joined tables one after the other all the while answering the question without answering it. Either you did or didnt do it consistently. Of course you may have, and anyone in your position likely would have seeing that you both play poker; but this is not the point.

OP shows us all these emails/information that actually prove nothing about his innocence, but the moment 2+2ers actually ask for the type of information that would, we're immediately shut out because he doesnt want to get "burned."

Please, if poker was my livelihood, if i had 3 kids and 100k in my accounts and was 100% innocent, everything I ever had would be in this thread. I wouldve hosted all available HHs online, showed my ptr, etc etc..

What is so interesting? Some highly produced story with a little bit of history that corroborates it? OP has shown us NOTHING that should actually lead us to believe he is indeed innocent.

HHs, account names, etc etc or emails?

That's just a link in the email program where he copied the text from, added by the program. It means nothing.

This is a pretty good point. Any small benefit from not exposing his screen name, is way overruled by the potential help he could get in proving his innocence. He can be sure the FT folks are reading this, and information that could show innocence can only be a good thing. I know I would have put my details at the beginning of the thread. Putting privacy before losing 100K to support your family seems illogical. He already said this was a critical amount of money to him.