FullTilt can Ban whatever they want, and have proved that numorous times.
And this whole thing about the justice system, can you run that by
one more time?

He relates a compelling scenario that, if true, deserves a huge apology and some form of compensation from FTP.


Oth, despite FT's secretive one-sided investigations those saying "Here they go again" and bailing should know "they" (FT) have been proven correct in almost every case and have mea culpa-ed the few times they've been wrong.

Bad analogy. A imprisoned innocent isn't free to leave the jail. Someone banned from a poker site can play on a zillion other sites, or live.

I mean Full tilt should concentrate their effort to ban the people that are bad for the games, like all the automated programs, the bots, the team play, people sharing database, buying them, , having so much information against me that they know which time I am going to bathroom. These people have an unfair advantage, not that guy having a wife and both having an account, maybe hes the one playing on her wife account maybe hes not but hes not the one that is bad for the game and making me doubt about online poker.

yeah...it seems many posters don't finish reading the threads that get posted on here that are similar to this one. In almost every case, the person is found to be completely fabricating their story and Full Tilt did a very good job in removing them from the player base.

I'm not implying that is the case here...but it would be unwise to dismiss that possibility outright at this point.

true but the point is you cannot be incrimining just because you doubt, lets say you are arrested by a cops and he give you a ticket because he thinks you were driving too fast but have not even see you, you are free to leave too with your ticket ( the damage causing to that guy by full tilt) but I highly doubt you would be happy like the guy in jail....the guy in jail was exageration.

what do you think they have two Postgres DBs installed?

Isn't this exactly what they are accusing him of?


I read his whole post (as well as almost every other "Full Tilt Banned ME" post. There is a big difference between his post and those others. Also the fact that he didn't feel the need to start a gimmick account before posting say a lot i think.

good news

Do we know what he is being accused of?

While many of these threads that have been started have been very different to this one, there have been others which seemed equally reliable that turned out to be otherwise.

Hey OP now you can do what you should have done 3 years ago, sign up at stars, FT did this to me and 4 of my friends, they are literally ******s and im am embarassed for them. Dont get me wrong i loved FT when i was playing on their site, but they continously pull **** like this and it makes me sick

Yes we do.

FYT

I have no opinion on the matter, however I do think FTP should unfreeze deposit/withdrawals at least on one account. Even if his story is false they prob aren't going to seize his assets, and if it's true they shouldn't be willing to be responsible for ruining the financial stability of a family over suspicion.

This

and this unfortunately

Since we don't really have an update on this thread, pics of OP's wife?(oh wait thought this was bbv4life)

Op,
I really wanted to believe you, but your story just does not seem credible. My understanding is that you are a midstakes player. You posted a graph showing you made $40k in one month in May 2008 playing mostly 5/10 (I’m presuming this was just you, and not you and your wife combined). Now you say your wife is a better player than yourself, plays similar stakes as yourself with a similar style, and yet you both have gone three years sharing one computer so that you can never play at the same time. I’m sorry, this does not compute.

Then you go on to say that just because you have a $100k roll does not mean that you have a lot of extra money to be buying an extra computer because of family, three kids, and presumably a lot of expenses. Fair enough, but we are talking about getting an extra computer here, not a Porsche Cayman. And an extra computer that should easily yield an extra $100k or more per year. Again, this does not compute.

All that said, I’m really surprised that you would present this elaborate story about sweating, avoiding tilt, alternating sessions, etc., when you could easily have just admitted to the multi-accounting and FT would have likely just given you a warning and consolidated the accounts. Now I have no idea what they will do, although after creating this thread and denying everything I’m guessing both accounts will be closed, but your moneys should be rightfully returned.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56...k-tank-219947/

Not that this means anything, but OP also created a thread about 2 years ago about underage gambling:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...counts-282211/

I have not really read through but if anyone wants to, maybe it could be something, maybe not.

Also, OP has previously mentioned wife I think in that thread and a thread about traveling to New York.

OP may at some point have to out the SN's but I don't think because he hasn't yet proves anything. He may not want to out the screen names (for obv reasons) only to have FT ultimately find no fault after their investigation. It might help op if he did give up the SNs now so 2p2 could check into his play but probably wouldn't have any influence on FTP decision. After FT makes a final decision and if FT decides to ban the accounts permanently then at that time he should without hesitation release the SN's to us for further review.

some of you guys are making points that don't make sense. I believe somewhere he said that both accounts get rakeback. Why in hell would he set up another account if he already has rakeback unless it was being used by a different person?

Thanks. I can tell you that we were not trying to do anything wrong. However, we can see now that we should have not done some things. For example, we shouldn't have had just one of us cash out from both accounts. We didn't think there was anything wrong with that at the time, but according to a technical reading of the rules, I guess we shouldn't have even been doing that.

Usually, one of us would play for about an hour, and then the other would play for about an hour, and then we'd both be done. We don't switch back and forth. We each play once and then we're done. Sometimes we might cash out after we're both done playing, so we might log back onto the other's account, but we don't log back on to play. It would be just to manage or check something in our accounts (but not to play). We each play once and then we're done.

Also, just because we sweated usually doesn't mean we did it all the time. If one of us wanted to play a long time, the other wouldn't stay the whole time. And there were times when one of us would play without the other person being there at all. We just preferred to sit together when we could. We visited, talked, and enjoyed the company of one another while we played.

Contrary to what some of you may do, we do not play 24/7. We are pretty family oriented and try to devote as much time to each other and our kids as we can.

No. We are chatting and visiting with each other, not the players on the table. We try to remain polite to those at the table and so may type a small "ty", "nh" or something like that. There were a times where one of us watching would say, "Look at what that guy just said to you. You should write xxxxxxx back." But for the most part, we just didn't chat at all.

This is what we wrote in our last email to Full Tilt:

"When I first started playing on Full Tilt, it seems like [my wife] may have transferred me some money--though we're not certain and obviously can't open our accounts to even look at the transaction details. We do know that I
transferred $15,000 to [my wife] on or about September 29, 2009. However, we're not sure what the problem would be with that. We are married and feel that our resources really are just combined resources. So, when one of us felt low on our personal poker account, we saw no problem in getting a transfer from the other."

As far as transfers with other people, we do each get a transfer from our rakeback provider, but other than that, no. That is, we don't transfer to other people. I'm trying to think if one of us may have transferred a small amount when we signed up a friend, but I don't think we even did that. I recall that a friend owed us a small amount of money a little over two years ago and I think he may have transferred me it on Full Tilt. But, that was a one-time thing. Again, we don't have access to our accounts, so it is hard to look these things up. But, in the last couple years, I think that the only transfer (except for our rakeback provider) is that $15,000 transfer I did to my wife.

It could be really innocent like switching accounts to avoid the doomswitch. It could be a little less innocent. Do you think you would gain a small advantage against regs by switching your account mid-session without their knowledge? If op is still playing higher midstakes then the population pool is relatively thin and switching accounts midsession would be a small advantage against other regs.

Or maybe there is some other explanation entirely, but story does not add up as told.

Did you ever consider the possibility that we had two accounts because that is what we were supposed to do? Think of this: if Full Tilt closes one of the accounts down, then does that mean we are both supposed to play on the same account? Or does that mean that the person's account that was closed can never play on Full Tilt again?

Personally, I feel pretty much done with Full Tilt. I've been losing on Full Tilt the past six months anyhow, and I have a pretty bad taste in my mouth over this whole thing. But, my wife has been doing well and I know she would still like to be able to play at Full Tilt.

this is a good way to convince them to let you stay and give you your money imo

I don't understand the attitude some of you have. I guess it's just really easy to be judgmental and point the finger at us. If something like this happened to you, I think you'd see things a lot differently. I know some of you are saying, "Well, this would never happen to me so I don't have to worry about it too much" because that is what I used to say. But, then it does happen to you, and your whole perspective changes.

I am sorry that I have not written things just the way everyone wants. Our family is under enormous stress right now, and we are doing our best to answer questions. We feel like we are being examined with a fine-tooth comb. The whole process is very invasive. Every little thing we are being examined on.

I mean, seriously! We don't respond right away to Full Tilt Security's initial email and we get criticized on that and get told we are a liar and making the whole story up:

In response, I then have to get into our personal life and explain that we were up the night before, and helped our kids for school in the morning. We did not get on the computer. After our kids went to school, we slept. When our kids got home from school, we spent our time with them. So, we didn't even read the stupid email from Full Tilt until after our kids went to bed.

I'm sorry that some of you don't understand the possibility that a 5-person family can have 100k online, but still might be trying to budget their money. When you budget your money, you don't buy things you don't think are necessary. Perhaps if you had a 5-person family yourself you might understand this yourself.

It's real easy to point the finger at somebody else especially when you've never walked in their shoes. Maybe you could stop for a minute and try to consider what my family and I are going through right now.