A lot of people are claiming we broke Full Tilt's terms and conditions, but we are honestly having difficulty in determining exactly what terms and conditions we broke. Here is a link to Full Tilt's terms and conditions.

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/terms-and-conditions

Can someone here please answer which of these actions are prohibited, and if they are, what is the exact T&C it violates? I think these things are important clarifications for online poker in general.

1. Is it against the T&C to have more than one account in one household? If so, what's the specific T&C it violates?

2. If there are two or more accounts in one household, is it against the T&C to log in shortly after the other one logged out? Again, what's the T&C?

3. If there are two or more accounts in one household, is it against the T&C to ever play at a table the other player was previously at? If so, how much time has to lapse before sitting at that table? What's the T&C?

4. If there are two or more accounts in one household, is it against the T&C to ever play at a table the other player was previously at with fewer chips than what the previous player left the table with? T&C?

5. Is it against the T&C to observe a table for a while and then join that table? T&C?

6. Is it against the T&C to observe someone else playing? T&C?

7. Is it against the T&C to sweat someone else playing? T&C?

8. Is it against the T&C to discuss a hand with anyone (even a sweater not logged in) before the hand is completed? T&C?

The last two or three are the only ones we could actually find a T&C that might apply. According to Rule 10.2:

It had always been our understanding that this rule applied to players actually dealt in or seated at the table--and not to players not even logged in. We tried to get Full Tilt to clarify this rule to us, but they have refused to respond. I think the common consensus among online players is that it is not against the rules to discuss a hand with someone just watching (someone not even logged in). This would explain why there are many public poker instructional videos (including some from Full Tilt's red pros) showing hands being discussed with another person than the one actually playing.

If a site wants this rule to really mean that you cannot discuss a hand before it is completed with anyone at all (including people not even logged in), then the sites need to clarify that. FWIW, PokerStars has said that is not a rule they follow because it is unenforceable.

What is the official stance at Full Tilt? Moving forward, these are clarifications all of the sites (not just Full Tilt) should make.

A lawyer could probably help you answer those questions. If FT stole my money I'd certainly be looking into all my options.

Not if it was only a couple hundred dollars and a few thousand dollars worth of points that they can argue were "rewards" and can be taken away at their discretion.

Not taking sides here, I just don't think this would ever be worth OP's time/money unless he wanted to do it on principle.

OP, I read most of the thread.

First of all, I just wanna say I have to admire your ability to make long threads with proper grammar etc.

Second. 99% of poker players have tried sweating others and getting advice from other players while playing. Any rule that you cant have people give you advice in a hand is just BS anyways, because its not enforceable. The lynch mob ITT just needs to STFU because everyone has done something against the TOS at some point, dont feel very guilty about it and would prolly do it again.

Third. Im glad you got your money back and does your wife have a younger sister who is interested in poker?

It wouldn't surprise me if this number could have at least 90 taken away and still be high.

Why would you think that it only applied to people logged in? It never says this - your understanding is irrelevant - it is very clear.

More excuses. Get off your high horse and be thankful that you got off the hook so easily. Learn from your mistakes and move on.

Seriously, OP, get help.

You have many deep-seated problems if you feel the continuous need to go to such lengths to explain and justify your actions on a totally anonymous internet forum.



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Stop projecting plz.


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I have to pay somebody at least $200/hr just to review & discuss my play over AIM because I literally have nobody to talk strategy with otherwise. The idea that everybody has poker friends that they sweat and chat with IRL is pretty niave. Congrats to you that you have poker friends, but not everybody is that fortunate.

Wow some new idea.. Not only FTP any room want you.. eh...your money...
If they hit one of your cheeks... "Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also" So be happy. And say thank you too these kind guys for returning you money...

So funny... three years security has been sleeping and unexpectedly put some pressure on an ordinary player who wrote them all this time. Beautiful.
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How West security usually works
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Markey said that the five oil giants had disaster response plans that were "virtually identical," with equipment he called "ineffective."
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Waxman provided examples of sentences from different companies' plans that are identical, save for the name of the company.
"When you look at the details, it becomes evident these plans are just paper exercises. BP failed miserably when confronted with a real leak, and one can only wonder whether ExxonMobil and the other companies would do any better," said Waxman.
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fulltilt is known for suddenly suspending accounts... an then its like comunicating with a robot.. they have to understand that our accounts with them are like our bank accounts and deserve way more attention to detail

Seems like you have more problems than the OP - having to constantly come back and judge and berate people. Who made you god anyway?

Seems to be the disposition of most people on this board. No wonder poker players are viewed as ARROGANT SONS OF BITCHES.

Go find a dog to berate. Leave the OP poster alone or stop reading the thread if it pisses you off so much.

So OP lost his account because he reviewed HH with his wife?

Good call early in the thread about OP's guilt.


[x] Probably doing the same thing on Stars. Hence, no disclosure of screen names which are similar between sites.

Moral of the story:

Never put a shadow of doubt on FT privacy policies (aka making a thread on them leaking emails).

Disloyal customers should be punished.

I just read the OP, and glanced the first couple of pages and the last couple of them.

OP, here is the part of the T&C you are breaking:

3.1.8. not to disclose your Player ID or Password nor to allow any other person access to your account with us or to participate in tournaments or to play the Games using your account;

That said, many players disclose their Player ID.

Also, as TheTruthSpeaks said, it seems rather strange to have two full-time players that are not interested in buying a second computer so that they can play at the same time and have more time to spend together with their kids, or wherever that is not in front of a computer screen.

And you have never ever played a single hand with your wife's account (or the other way around)? Not even when the person that is playing receives a phone call, for instance?

By looking at the last pages I assume that FTP made some post here. Couls someone tell me where?

Um, I was posting in this thread when I had 20-30 some post count. That would make it a little old.

OP hasn't been on since 4/13/2010 - I doubt he is signing back on for a reply.

op is guilty as charged imo, he got lucky and got his mone back.

why did he used two accounts? was he a pro ratholer?

and the one computer for both players is just silly, im sure most pros wouldnt share their poker pc with a non poker player, let lone another player. lol

Thread is from 4.5 years ago; FT has been bought by Stars and then Stars by Amaya since then. OP hasn't been on our forums in almost 4 years.

but is he guilty?