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03-16-2010 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Eldorian
IRONMAN!

but seriously, as suspicous as OPs behaviour is, somebody deliberately constructing this story would not be so stupid as to access both accounts within minutes to make two withdrawals when he could easily spread them out over a couple of days/weeks...
If OP really did tell FTP ahead of time that they were a couple its likely he wouldn't be worried about this. Its not like he needs to hide the fact they are a couple. Making withdrawals at same time is 100% fine.

I suppose there could also be tax benefits to someone who plays under two accounts. Otherwise don't see much benefit.

Last edited by acethiest; 03-16-2010 at 12:46 PM.
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03-16-2010 , 12:45 PM
gl op.

disgusting that ft would take advantage of you for trying to help in the email spam issue.

I've just withdrawn all my money from ft and will be moving it to Stars.

Way too many of these instances with ft, they steal from the poor to give to Lederer and Ivey.

ft = the anti-robin hoods.
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03-16-2010 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
3) He's in control of both accounts, and playing on them exactly as he says he is. This is the only angle that makes any sense, because FT will know exactly when the accounts have played, if they played together, etc. This is certainly plausible. But what is OP's advantage here? Two accounts so regs don't know who they're playing? But then why go back and forth between the two? I just don't see a big enough advantage to be gained here for OP to risk his funds by doing this. Am I missing something?

There needs to be a motive. What is it? I can't see a reasonable one.
High stakes rat holing. 6 figures, multiple accounts, cut the timer in half as there are not that many tables available. This seems fairly unlikely given that it seems most all rat holers besides the spanish ones have given up, but is at least one more plausible motive.
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03-16-2010 , 01:27 PM
I do not play on FTP but I find it odd that while both you and your wife play poker to support yourselves, you only have one computer.
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03-16-2010 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Dire
High stakes rat holing. 6 figures, multiple accounts, cut the timer in half as there are not that many tables available. This seems fairly unlikely given that it seems most all rat holers besides the spanish ones have given up, but is at least one more plausible motive.
Swapping out two accounts to rathole would be pretty obvious to FT if it was occurring. But changing screen names still doesn't give the player much chance to sit right back at the same table if it is a popular game type. I don't think that's a workable strategy and I doubt that is what happened.
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03-16-2010 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
Swapping out two accounts to rathole would be pretty obvious to FT if it was occurring. But changing screen names still doesn't give the player much chance to sit right back at the same table if it is a popular game type. I don't think that's a workable strategy and I doubt that is what happened.
I'm pretty much 100% a number of the former rat holers were multi accounting to bypass the timer. And what are they going to say if you just say you're room mates and can provide unique id/banking/etc information for both players? At the Stars high stakes game there are currently a number of rat holers who everybody is more or less sure are multi accounting but Stars does nothing about it since they're just "room mates".

And obv it's not about a single table. It's about rat holing as many tables as you can until it's getting difficult to find fresh tables, and then swapping to the other account and doing it all over again.

Of course in reality OP is probably not a rat holer so this is probably a nonissue.
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03-16-2010 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Exceptional
No you're right. Just because he admitted it means that he should get away with it. Sigh.


Do you think if Joe Bloggs turns up on tilt and wins $2million off Durr and then reveals that he had Ivey, Hellmuth and Brunson sitting behind him debating all the big decisions before he acts that Joe Bloggs should get to keep his money?


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Mute point...somebody coached by Hellmuth would not be winning vs. Durr...

otherwise, agreed
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03-16-2010 , 01:53 PM
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we can only normally play one at a time
So on occasion, op and wife would play on different accounts, at the same time, on the same computer???

That is odd. Don't know what it means, but it is odd.

Maybe something like this: "hon, I wanna play now." "But Snookums, I've got a table with three huge fish." "But they're almost broke. I'll finish them off while I transition to my own account, move."

Disclaimer for skimmers: above dialogue is totally invented.
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03-16-2010 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by _AceBluff_
This is not adding up.

When I first read this post I gave you credit for being in a spot not of your doing.

No more. The more you write the less I believe you.

Your explantion on the computer is bogus. You have $100,00+ plus online and you can't spend money on a 2nd computer? A +ev purchase if there ever was one. Why not? Cause you didn't need it when your the only one playing.

You said you had prior debts-makes things tight-not buying the poor routine. You still have $100,000+.

You said in the OP:

"The next morning, I received an email from Full Tilt saying my account is suspended. My wife got the same email:"

and before that

"At first, Full Tilt did not even say why the accounts were closed—simply that the accounts were being investigated. I immediately asked them and Sean what was going on."

If I got my 6 figure account closed I would be e-mailing immediately so fast the keyboard would catch fire. But you DIDN'T!! Your first e-mail you showed was 16+hrs after FT sent theres. You said you recieved it that morning but didn't responed until the next day. Either there are more e-mails or you were busy making up a story.(by the way-what e-mail program do you use?)

I'm sure when FT looks at your play style they match, the chat will have come from one person(in other words, you don't write like a girl).


Good luck getting your money.
You are an idiot. I don't understand why because they have made money at poker that means they both need their own computer? Also people are not attached to their PC their entire life so sometimes they don't reply to emails immediately.
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03-16-2010 , 02:05 PM
Don't have much to say except I'm never playing FT again!
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03-16-2010 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
So on occasion, op and wife would play on different accounts, at the same time, on the same computer???

That is odd. Don't know what it means, but it is odd.

Maybe something like this: "hon, I wanna play now." "But Snookums, I've got a table with three huge fish." "But they're almost broke. I'll finish them off while I transition to my own account, move."

Disclaimer for skimmers: above dialogue is totally invented.
Can some mod delete this post?
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03-16-2010 , 02:47 PM
OP you sound pretty innocent as far as I can tell. I think it would be best for you if you don't mention things like "my wife and I feel the same about X" it just makes it sound more and more like there's only one real person involved.

Can you describe your play habits? Do you for instance play for an hour then log off and your wife logs on right after and plays for an hour and then switch again etc? Do you ever log off and your wife goes right to the table you just left? Do you guys use HEM or PTR and share a database?

They mentioned chat in the email. Do you often chat on FTP while you play? Do both of you use very similar phrases and in general speak the same way? Do you ever mention each other's account when you chat?

How about transaction history? Do you transfer money between accounts? Do you transfer with any other players? Do both accounts transfer to/from the same 3rd party account?
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03-16-2010 , 02:54 PM
Anyone who has a brain know's it's you on both accounts.

So you have a poker account and your wife wants to play the same site you play, at the same stakes when you AREN'T playing, why create a second account?

Try not to write a 1000 word essay about morals or violating T&Cs.
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03-16-2010 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMagnet
Anyone who has a brain know's it's you on both accounts.So you have a poker account and your wife wants to play the same site you play, at the same stakes when you AREN'T playing, why create a second account?

Try not to write a 1000 word essay about morals or violating T&Cs.
Many respected posters have already sided with the OP here.
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03-16-2010 , 03:20 PM
I was actually in your favor and now I feel as if we all been duked, well most of us. OP, your posts dont add up, and you know the saying, " tell one lie, you have to tell a thousand more", well your not good at it. I reread everything you posted and indeed feel as if it's all you. and I also doubt you have 6 figs. Why lie, if you really feel like getting attention, troll the "Poker is rigged" thread and make a ass out of of yourself. It works wonders, just ask AMEC, and Pooflinger

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03-16-2010 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Andronicus
Sometimes. We play a lot of different stakes. Sometimes she plays higher; sometimes I play higher, and sometimes we play the same. However, it's not like we're trying to pull a trick or get an unfair advantage. We both play almost entirely 6-max or full ring. I'd say less than 1% of my play is HU, and my wife has played even less HU. We do not sit in on a HU table that the other was previously playing at. Also realize that most 6-max and full ring tables have long waiting lists. This is especially true if there is a fish on the table (often 10+ people are on the waiting list). So, if I get tired of playing and quit my session, it is not like my wife can just get back on the same table. If she wants to play on the same "fishy" table after I was playing, she has to get on the waiting list just like anybody else. Often, she ends up never even getting her name called before she is ready to quit herself (or the fish is long gone once her name is called).
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Originally Posted by EfromPegTown
Many respected posters have already sided with the OP here.

haha ad hominem then appeal to authority.

OP sounds very genuine, but when you think about it something is a little odd about them having one PC. I can't imagine having one machine in a house, much less between two poker players my god.
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03-16-2010 , 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DrMickHead
OP you sound pretty innocent as far as I can tell. I think it would be best for you if you don't mention things like "my wife and I feel the same about X" it just makes it sound more and more like there's only one real person involved.

Can you describe your play habits? Do you for instance play for an hour then log off and your wife logs on right after and plays for an hour and then switch again etc? Do you ever log off and your wife goes right to the table you just left? Do you guys use HEM or PTR and share a database?

They mentioned chat in the email. Do you often chat on FTP while you play? Do both of you use very similar phrases and in general speak the same way? Do you ever mention each other's account when you chat?

How about transaction history? Do you transfer money between accounts? Do you transfer with any other players? Do both accounts transfer to/from the same 3rd party account?
There are some good questions here.
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03-16-2010 , 04:16 PM
I read through the post but didn't see this addressed, and I don't know what FTP's abilities to detect this would be. But OP, do you and your wife share a HEM or PT database? One computer, one HEM, two players databases linked to it? Would FTP even be able to detect this? This could be a possible source of concern to them as each account would effectively have access to data from hands they were not involved in.
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03-16-2010 , 04:18 PM
If this were a real police investigation, it'd be pretty easy to clear up. Bring both in for questioning, put them in different rooms and grill the hell out of the Op's wife on anything poker related. After an hour or less, it should be pretty clear whether the story is true or not.

I wish there was some way we could get an acceptable conclusion to this whole issue.
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03-16-2010 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMagnet
Anyone who has a brain know's it's you on both accounts.

So you have a poker account and your wife wants to play the same site you play, at the same stakes when you AREN'T playing, why create a second account?

Try not to write a 1000 word essay about morals or violating T&Cs.
Op claims both accounts have RB. OP claims they don't play HU so hiding your identity at the table would not seem to be much of an issue. If he's not legit what is OP's angle in playing 2 different accounts? I don't see any significant benefit.
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03-16-2010 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by OldYoda
Op claims both accounts have RB. OP claims they don't play HU so hiding your identity at the table would not seem to be much of an issue. If he's not legit what is OP's angle in playing 2 different accounts? I don't see any significant benefit.
I agree that it is hard to find the benefit/motive for the setup as it is. However, it is also hard to shake the feeling that something strange/suspicious is also going on. I don't know the answer to either one, but I'd be surprised if this is all just a misunderstanding.
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03-16-2010 , 04:24 PM
I think the storie can be true, full tilt cant ban 2 accounts without beeing 100% sure that theses accounts are against the rules, if we let full tilt do this we are letting them decide whenever they want to ban an account for whatever reason they have.

Like in our justice system, we better have 5 criminal outside then one innocent inside. Because if YOU are that innocent, you will now undertsand the whole point.
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03-16-2010 , 04:26 PM
The whole 'there must be a motive' thinking is overstated. Humans do all sorts of ******ed things for seemingly irrational reasons all the time.

Not saying this is one of those times, but who cares what his angle might be, let's just figure out if there is one.
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03-16-2010 , 04:26 PM
Has OP posted his screen names? If not, after numerous requests, then he is trying to hide something. If he is not willing to then this whole thread should be locked. If you want help, you have to give a little.
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03-16-2010 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Neocom
Anyway something smells bad.

I can't belive that with a 6 figure account in FT, you only have a computer at home:

"We have one computer in our home, so we can only normally play one at a time"

If both of you are good, I can't understand why don't you play at the same time.
-Ya, you have a family and have only one computer at home to manage a 6 figure bankroll, sounds not professional?
- Under those conditions i would not even play poker with my family around, more likely to rent an office.
-Always having one on your shoulder playing straight long sessions does not sound very robusto and does not create a picture as if you were capable to maneuver your big bankroll optimally.
+ Not a very good time management from both of you sweating each other.

Some really fishy odd points imo!

BUT where the heck is the motive?
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