heh see, it doesn't matter the dollar value the warning to people is enough. This can happen to anyone no matter what you think, FTP has no responsibilities and can take your money at any time.

So OP finds a possible flaw in FTP's security and starts a thread calling FTP out over it?

FTPSean then Pm's OP asking him for his SN and that he will have a look into it?

The very next day OP and his wife both have their FTP accounts suspended?


My advise to anyone who has concerns about FTP's integrity, either past, present, or in the future. Is under no circumstances ever give FTPSean your SN.

Pretty disgusting.

SSSSSsssssnake


Good luck OP, it is clear you are on the wrong end of some FTP retribution.


And now this is all out in the public i think you deserve a public apology from FTPSean and his cronies when you and your wife's name are finally cleared.

Sometimes. We play a lot of different stakes. Sometimes she plays higher; sometimes I play higher, and sometimes we play the same. However, it's not like we're trying to pull a trick or get an unfair advantage. We both play almost entirely 6-max or full ring. I'd say less than 1% of my play is HU, and my wife has played even less HU. We do not sit in on a HU table that the other was previously playing at. Also realize that most 6-max and full ring tables have long waiting lists. This is especially true if there is a fish on the table (often 10+ people are on the waiting list). So, if I get tired of playing and quit my session, it is not like my wife can just get back on the same table. If she wants to play on the same "fishy" table after I was playing, she has to get on the waiting list just like anybody else. Often, she ends up never even getting her name called before she is ready to quit herself (or the fish is long gone once her name is called).

Is there anything you can do that will prove to FTP that two different people were playing on the two accounts? Do you have any way to show that you couldn't have been online at some given time while your wife was playing (or vice-versa)?

Even though you both use similar strategies, are there any clear differences (eg: you never 3bet QJs and she often does or something)? If you pull up detailed stats from your DB, how similar will your accounts look?

Your post is pretty disgusting.
I have contacted FTPSean numerous times, once about a blatant FTP screw-up that they refused to resolve.

He has all my info, and has been very helpful to me. Posts like this give FTP a worse name then they deserve.

Did you ever think OP is MA'ing with his wife's name and FTP caught him? Impossible you say?

Your valiant tales of hardship have inspired us all.

My wife and I are long-term players as well, but we have separate computers. However, unlike your situation, we often play at the same time (in different games). I too have corresponded with Full Tilt about this in the past and they say that they won't allow us on the same cash table or SnG, but we can be in the same MTT as they don't block it. The only time we ever do that is in a weekly private tournament that some friends host on Full Tilt. And my wife never plays cash games at all, only me. So I doubt we'll ever trigger any suspicion of anything. And we also play quite different stakes, different game types, and different styles.

I think in your case you have several red flags that they are looking at, but you should still be able to resolve it with patience and effort. It sounds like you play similar games and stakes. It also sounds like there have been times when one or the other of you has logged into both accounts in quick succession, which looks bad from their standpoint (technically that is against the rules). But other than the one time you mentioned where you used two computers, if the two players are never playing at the same time, that seems to totally eliminate any possibility of collusion or multiaccounting to me. It should to them as well.

I think they'll work this out for you. I'm following the thread because of my own situation.

GL OP, if there isn't more to the story it seems like FTP really shafted you. Hope things work out

OK so Sean helped you out, was that before or after you started a thread questioning their integrity?, or maybe neither?


You not find it a little odd that Sean searches out OP asking for his info only for his account to be froze 1 day later?

His query was regarding spam email, how on earth can that turn into possible MA'ing fraud?

And fwiw i don't think FTP's reputation in the wider poker community is even half as bad as what it should be.

OP this is completly your fault. if you were a red pro this never wouldve happened.

shouldve done somethin to demonstrate your awesomeness. like been asian.

I'm glad I haven't played at full tilt in over two years.

Two accounts playing from the same computer is a disaster waiting to happen for all sorts of reasons.

Not saying this is OP's fault, just a PSA.

I guess a lesson to be learned is not to ever give out your player ID to any site representative here unless you have no options elsewhere. I would have just let the Cake poker rakeback email slide OP. It's most likely that your rakeback provider has something to do with that email. I know I had to provide my site email name to them for whatever reason. So you should have let it slide as it was no big deal. Now you got to cope with a new big deal that is real. Good luck getting back what is rightfully yours. Will you ever play there again after this?

If the girl I marry is a poker player, god forbid if she ever plays online poker in the same home as me because it will not happen. Just a disaster waiting to happen. I actually feel bad for op, hope you get it figured out.

So both of you use poker as you main source of income yet you have one computer and share it? That just seems impossible to believe. You mean you never have overlapping sessions? EVER? I play full-time and know that it would be impossible to share a computer with another person who's also playing full time. Why wouldn't you invest some of that "six figures" into two computers so you both could play whenever you wanted? Seems really strange and would also lead me to believe that the same person is playing both accounts.

The fact that you have "six-figures" online and you admitted to both of you playing similar stakes means you are playing higher stakes. So we have a husband-wife high stakes pro tandem........or we have one player trying to use two accounts. Hmmmmmm.

This is very very close to being a major problem in your case imo.

Yes it is fine to "sweat" each other whilst you are playing, but it really sounds to me like you and your wife actively play on both accounts together, making decisions and plays based on both you and your wifes knowledge and previous play against players.

Whilst i agree that you seem to be very unlucky in the curcumstances that you have been suspended, what you are doing is 100% against the TOS of any poker room.

kinda along the same lines as what i was saying.

How do you know? You people don't know ****. Should we start naming pro poker players that shared IP addresses and so forth when they were roomates? Full Tilt is a joke.

When regulation in the USA in enacted, they will be blackballed anyways...

How? Because he just admitted it?

They don't have two accounts on the same computer and alternate in and out. This is not looking good for you OP. It seems like even if you have told the whole truth, you should know better. You obviously are smart enough to see how very suspicious this looks, even without having all the details FT mentions about times and tables and chats.

seriously, go back and re-read the entire thread.

Sharing IP addresses is one thing. 2 players actively playing together and admitting this is how they play is a complete different ball game and is 100% against any poker rooms TOS and 100% cheating, intentional or not.

*I should qualify that our combined accounts have six figures in them. Also, if by full time you mean 40 hrs/week, then neither one of us plays full time. In fact, far from it. As I said, playing poker has allowed both us to spend a lot more time with the kids.

We were actually going to buy another computer in next couple of months. But, while my wife has been a winning player the past six months, I have lost money over the same six month period. That has made things a lot tighter for us than we would have liked. Maybe I should post both our graphs. I mean they are practically direct opposites of each other.

Anyhow, me losing money and having prior debt has made things pretty tight. You might think that a family that has a combined six figures in their poker accounts should have plenty of money, but it's not always the case. We could have bought a second computer if we had to have it, but we made a conscious decision to hold off for a while. Besides, we really believed that more than any other activity our sweat sessions made us both better at poker. After our sessions, we'd go over hands and big decisions--especially the ones we disagreed on. I believe one of the best things you can do to get better at poker is to discuss poker with another knowledgeable player. So, in that sense, we never felt a compelling need to get a second computer.

In hindsight, I can see now that it would have been better to just have a second computer. I think it would have certainly avoided this whole mess we find ourselves in now. I'll tell you this: we cannot buy anything right now (not a computer or anything else) so long as our accounts remain frozen.

GL Andronicus I hope it all works out for you and your wife. Maybe if you and your wife used separate computers it wouldn't have look as suspicious, but who knows what FT considers suspicious, we're all guessing here.

I have 4 computers (living room,bedroom,kitchen, rec room) and sometimes switch from one to another in the middle of a tournament and I've wondered if the site would consider this suspicious. Why do I wonder, because I really don't know what they consider suspicious activity, the sites don't tell us, we only know somethings that are against the TOS but others things we are left guessing about.

Hopefully you will get this all worked out OP, gl