Full Tilt wrongfully suspends long-time players’ accounts (inquisition in progress) - from 2010
03-17-2010
, 08:59 PM
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Some people on here have suggested that since few women are good poker players, it is unlikely that my wife is a good poker player. It seems like someone said something like they couldn't even think of a single female that played mid-stake online poker well. Off the top of my head, Vanessa Selbst and Annette Obrestad are names that I think people would recognize. Here's a list of some other good female poker players:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor..._poker_players
Also, people are committing a fallacy when they say, "It is very unlikely for a woman to be good poker player. Therefore, it is very unlikely for OP's wife to be a good poker player." This fallacious thinking. It is sometimes referred to as the Prosecutor's Fallacy. Here's a good explanation of it:
http://pokersleuth.com/fallacy-prosecutor.shtml
There are plenty of women that play poker well. These women may not be in your circle of male dominated friends does not mean they are not there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor..._poker_players
Also, people are committing a fallacy when they say, "It is very unlikely for a woman to be good poker player. Therefore, it is very unlikely for OP's wife to be a good poker player." This fallacious thinking. It is sometimes referred to as the Prosecutor's Fallacy. Here's a good explanation of it:
http://pokersleuth.com/fallacy-prosecutor.shtml
There are plenty of women that play poker well. These women may not be in your circle of male dominated friends does not mean they are not there.
The two of you seem to discuss poker quite a bit, does your wife post on any poker forums?
Did you ever post anywhere about your the supermom in your home? Kicking ass at poker and raising 3 kids.
I would be bragging about my wife if she was that good at poker.
I believed you at first, with a bit of skeptisim, but a lot of posters have brought up some good points where things aren't adding up.
Also the identical gramatical errors in both of your emails is a bad sign.
From FTs perspective, I think chat history could be as much of a tell tale sign as hand histories. (Same phrases, misspellings, etc.)
Either way, I am sure you will get your money back, but you were at the very least using the same hand history database, which is not allowed. Two players should never be playing the same stakes from the same household, let alone the same computer imo.
Last edited by Mike Haven; 03-18-2010 at 09:35 AM.
03-17-2010
, 09:25 PM
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i mean, pretty much this.
We all know that when FTP bans accounts and refuses to payout the remainder of the account, they always refuse to cite specific cheating instances in accordance with keeping their "anti-cheat-detecting-method-analysis-protocol" intelligence secretive insofar that you effectively get banned without exactly knowing what you did wrong. Regardless of the whether you were right or wrong (lol).
Providing HHs will prove that there wasnt any collusion being attempted. Showing session times not overlapping would further corroborate OPs statement that they only had 1 computer, not rejoining tables as a shortstack by switching accounts shows that they are not trying to circumvent the system etc etc.
We all know that when FTP bans accounts and refuses to payout the remainder of the account, they always refuse to cite specific cheating instances in accordance with keeping their "anti-cheat-detecting-method-analysis-protocol" intelligence secretive insofar that you effectively get banned without exactly knowing what you did wrong. Regardless of the whether you were right or wrong (lol).
Providing HHs will prove that there wasnt any collusion being attempted. Showing session times not overlapping would further corroborate OPs statement that they only had 1 computer, not rejoining tables as a shortstack by switching accounts shows that they are not trying to circumvent the system etc etc.
Even in the cases where someone says OMG FT stole my money and turns out to be FOS it is always handled so poorly by FTP customer service. How many times do people have to read threads like this where FTP submits no evidence or reason for their actions?
Whether OP is telling the truth or not, he deserves to have the opportunity to refute claims against him, and call into question the validity of the investigation.
03-17-2010
, 09:50 PM
I have little doubt that OP has a wife that plays poker. I have little doubt that they both "win" at poker (whatever that means).
But when you use 2+2 as a vehicle to proclaim your innocence, the burden of proof lies on you, not FTP. Insofar, OP has yet to produce any type of evidence that actually should lead one to believe s/he may be innocent. All s/he has done is posted emails about the ordeal where wife and husband are said about 1000 times. Other than that, I actually see nothing that suggests OP didnt collude or TOS violations.
This is all handwaving and backtracking. Having a corroborated story with history means nothing. In the simplest sense, this "story" completely follows the exact same blueprint where friends create accounts in other people's names, son's create accounts in their dad's name, etc etc. and they all get laughed off this board. So far, I see nothing that indicates this isn't exactly the same ploy.
edit: and fwiw, if you carefully read each email they are written with the exact same cadence. Try and speak each sentence, and you'll soon realize that their sentence structures are exactly the same.
But when you use 2+2 as a vehicle to proclaim your innocence, the burden of proof lies on you, not FTP. Insofar, OP has yet to produce any type of evidence that actually should lead one to believe s/he may be innocent. All s/he has done is posted emails about the ordeal where wife and husband are said about 1000 times. Other than that, I actually see nothing that suggests OP didnt collude or TOS violations.
This is all handwaving and backtracking. Having a corroborated story with history means nothing. In the simplest sense, this "story" completely follows the exact same blueprint where friends create accounts in other people's names, son's create accounts in their dad's name, etc etc. and they all get laughed off this board. So far, I see nothing that indicates this isn't exactly the same ploy.
edit: and fwiw, if you carefully read each email they are written with the exact same cadence. Try and speak each sentence, and you'll soon realize that their sentence structures are exactly the same.
Last edited by aggo; 03-17-2010 at 09:56 PM.
03-17-2010
, 09:57 PM
Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: May 2007
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OP, FT is not a bank, you do not have access to your funds at the drop of a hat. Furthermore, if your bank gets robbed, they have insurance and your money is 100% secure. Imagine if someone installed a keylogger in your one computer? $100k+ gone and no recourse whatsoever.
BO
03-17-2010
, 10:09 PM
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If anyone really wants to figure out the OP's identity to look up stats and history, he posted a hand history on this forum a while back and gave the screen name for the player in the hand with him, and it was a well-known mid-stakes regular. All you have to do is find that player's hands for the date of the hand, on PTR (where I have no subscription) or a similar tracking site.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56...d-i-do-347723/
OP is button.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56...d-i-do-347723/
OP is button.
03-17-2010
, 10:14 PM
Andronicus,
1. Your accounts were suspected of multi-accounting.
2. You have stated and portrayed yourself as innocent.
3. Details regarding your situation are inconsistent.
4. Data exists that refute your statements and answers.
5. Unsolicited information provided do not support your claims.
6. You asked for your account balances to be consolidated.
7. You asked for one of the accounts to remain open.
8. A detailed and thorough investigation is pending.
9. A fair determination and final decision is coming.
Online poker sites may allow multiple accounts within the same residence providing that the account holders follow all terms and conditions for opening, operating and transacting with these accounts.
Multi-accounting creates unfair advantages over your opponents which violates the integrity of the game.
In your correspondence you have freely and openly admitted to multiple violations of the terms and conditions.
1. Your accounts were suspected of multi-accounting.
2. You have stated and portrayed yourself as innocent.
3. Details regarding your situation are inconsistent.
4. Data exists that refute your statements and answers.
5. Unsolicited information provided do not support your claims.
6. You asked for your account balances to be consolidated.
7. You asked for one of the accounts to remain open.
8. A detailed and thorough investigation is pending.
9. A fair determination and final decision is coming.
Online poker sites may allow multiple accounts within the same residence providing that the account holders follow all terms and conditions for opening, operating and transacting with these accounts.
Multi-accounting creates unfair advantages over your opponents which violates the integrity of the game.
In your correspondence you have freely and openly admitted to multiple violations of the terms and conditions.
03-17-2010
, 10:17 PM
OP, the issue is not about multi accounting. for MA i am 90% theyd give you your money, and tell you to stop.
most likely they think you have cheated. like collusion cheating. not MA cheating.
nitty BO, I also thought it was ******ed that they keep most of their money in online poker accounts, bit i figured i'd keep the financial advice in BFI section.
secondly, don't pay attention to the ******s itt flaming you w/ their detective work. they don't have anything to bust you for (like previous cases) so they are reaching for every possible idiotic clue.
i feel with 100k online, and a solid WR at MSNL, there is very little incentive to do ANYNTHING remotely shady. most of the cheater threads i have read on 2+2 are nothing like your case.
so I hope FTP could finish up the investigation and put this issue to rest.
most likely they think you have cheated. like collusion cheating. not MA cheating.
nitty BO, I also thought it was ******ed that they keep most of their money in online poker accounts, bit i figured i'd keep the financial advice in BFI section.
secondly, don't pay attention to the ******s itt flaming you w/ their detective work. they don't have anything to bust you for (like previous cases) so they are reaching for every possible idiotic clue.
i feel with 100k online, and a solid WR at MSNL, there is very little incentive to do ANYNTHING remotely shady. most of the cheater threads i have read on 2+2 are nothing like your case.
so I hope FTP could finish up the investigation and put this issue to rest.
Last edited by Mike Haven; 03-18-2010 at 09:37 AM.
03-17-2010
, 10:28 PM
I've skimmed through the thread, and haven't seen it posted: Has OP offered up the screennames of he and his wife?
I would be super highly skeptical of someone that refuses to offer this information. If he is innocent, the 2p2 detectives can quickly verify this via PTR, databases, and personal experiences. An innocent person with 6 figures seized (and 3 hungry children..very hungry children, so hungry that a 100k bankroll can't buy two computers) would simply say, my screenname is X, my wife's screenname is Y, you guys check us out, we did nothing wrong.
Failure to provide this information would lead me to assign a near 99% probability of the OP being guilty. Sorry, if you want the 2p2 community to work on your behalf to get your funds unfrozen, you need to give us the relevant details. You lose your right to anonymity when you attempt to try your case in the court of public opinion.
I would be super highly skeptical of someone that refuses to offer this information. If he is innocent, the 2p2 detectives can quickly verify this via PTR, databases, and personal experiences. An innocent person with 6 figures seized (and 3 hungry children..very hungry children, so hungry that a 100k bankroll can't buy two computers) would simply say, my screenname is X, my wife's screenname is Y, you guys check us out, we did nothing wrong.
Failure to provide this information would lead me to assign a near 99% probability of the OP being guilty. Sorry, if you want the 2p2 community to work on your behalf to get your funds unfrozen, you need to give us the relevant details. You lose your right to anonymity when you attempt to try your case in the court of public opinion.
03-17-2010
, 10:30 PM
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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=13490005&postcount=108
Prophetic words in my opinion:
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The outrage comes NOT from FTP trying to protect their players. The outrage comes from most of us believing in at least some rudimentary form of due process. Namely, OP at least ought to know what he is being accused of and have a chance to defend himself. FTP gives these players none of that. It is very bothersome.
How do we know that FTP banned OP for suspected botting? We don't. FTP makes these bannings without giving any disclosure whatsoever. What would it hurt for FTP to state, "We suspect your account was a bot" or whatever else was the reason? And, why would it hurt to give OP a chance to defend himself? If they think he was a bot, and he can show chat he made, pocket aces and quads he folded, and other human-like mistakes, surely that should be enough to defend himself.
FTP has taken on the role of judge, jury, and executioner. As judge, jury and executioner, FTP provides no explanation for what OP is being accused of or what their reasons are for coming to their decision. Many of us simply want FTP to tell their players what they are being accused of and give their players a chance to defend themselves. That's all. Is that really to much to ask?
How do we know that FTP banned OP for suspected botting? We don't. FTP makes these bannings without giving any disclosure whatsoever. What would it hurt for FTP to state, "We suspect your account was a bot" or whatever else was the reason? And, why would it hurt to give OP a chance to defend himself? If they think he was a bot, and he can show chat he made, pocket aces and quads he folded, and other human-like mistakes, surely that should be enough to defend himself.
FTP has taken on the role of judge, jury, and executioner. As judge, jury and executioner, FTP provides no explanation for what OP is being accused of or what their reasons are for coming to their decision. Many of us simply want FTP to tell their players what they are being accused of and give their players a chance to defend themselves. That's all. Is that really to much to ask?
Also, how does Full Tilt treat its rank and file members compared to their Red Pros? According to them, they hold their pros to a higher standard:
"In fact, we often have to be tougher on our Red Pros than our players because not only do they represent our site, they are looked up to by players as role models... we have to hold our Red Pros to a higher standard." http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1169
Sometimes it seems like the opposite is true. We'll see if that holds true here.
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Did it never cross your minds that you would nearly double your income with a second machine? How did that conversation go?
You: "Honey maybe we should spend a couple of hundred on a new machine and we can make an extra 100K+ this year?"
Her: "What?? Thats a terrible idea"
You: "Honey maybe we should spend a couple of hundred on a new machine and we can make an extra 100K+ this year?"
Her: "What?? Thats a terrible idea"
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So why not put it in another room if there isn't space in the office. For the amount of money at stake I'd be playing in the hallway if I had to.
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Why do you even need two monitors anyway, you play like 3K hands a week. That is an extremely low number for a multitabling poker pro.
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What magical features does this computer of yours have that makes it so great? Powerful pcs are only needed for games, video/music/image intesive editing work. They are certainly not needed for playing online poker. All you have to do is buy a machine and get two monitors and you are good to go. Although I don't see why someone playing 3K hands a week would need two monitors anyway.
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I just think it is completely ludicrous a husband and wife online poker playing team with 3 kids have one fricking pc in the house. My parents are 60 years old, grown up children have moved out, and are techno-phobic yet they have two laptops in their house. I have aunts and uncles whose kids are also grown up and have moved out, and who are even more completely useless when it comes to pcs, and yet they have two machines in the house.
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have you spoken to the site on the phone yet? personally if it was me I would of called the office 100 times a day till I got hold of someone $100K is a lot of wedge chap. have you thought about maybe flying over to there offices?? its not as if they are a shady little company - I mean if what you are saying is true, anyone would of tried these options if it means getting your families money back.
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The fact that one computer makes so little sense makes this story look like being actually true. I have an impression that OP and his wife are good naive people. I would guess they try hard to comply with all rules not only in poker but in general in their lives and expect that it is sufficient to avoid being accused of wrongdoing.
What would you do if you wanted to multi-account without being caught?
Yes, this is exactly what you should do OP!
Get the second computer. Get the second internet connection. Always make sure you adhere to one account - one computer - one internet connection rule. And last but not least - play together with your wife. It seems neither of you have to make those hard decisions too frequently, so the other one will be available to help most of the time anyway.
Good luck.
What would you do if you wanted to multi-account without being caught?
Yes, this is exactly what you should do OP!
Good luck.
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I liked the analogy of full till investigation being comparable to the witch hunts. Confess you are a witch and we will be lenient. Op and wife have to admit to doing something wrong with no option of professing their innocence. It is hard to prove you are innoncent or prove yourself innocent of charges if you don't know what those charges are.
It really dosen't sound like OP did anything wrong. Full TIlt should not allow 2 accounts for one house hold if it is such a problem. Full Tilt was aware of Op and wife having seperate accounts. Full Tilt is claiming that one player played exclusively on both accounts if im understanding correctly.
What botheres me the most with Full TIlts security is that they can make blanket accusations without any proof of wrong doing. Proof as in specific hands tournaments etc. I have seen this in numerous situations where players have had their accounts closed.
I hope op is reinstated and Full Tilt issues apology if it cannot provide proof that OP did something wrong.
It really dosen't sound like OP did anything wrong. Full TIlt should not allow 2 accounts for one house hold if it is such a problem. Full Tilt was aware of Op and wife having seperate accounts. Full Tilt is claiming that one player played exclusively on both accounts if im understanding correctly.
What botheres me the most with Full TIlts security is that they can make blanket accusations without any proof of wrong doing. Proof as in specific hands tournaments etc. I have seen this in numerous situations where players have had their accounts closed.
I hope op is reinstated and Full Tilt issues apology if it cannot provide proof that OP did something wrong.
Of course you are right we would have had to borrow someone's laptop again or go to our parents or something like that. Borrowing a laptop from time to time to both play in the same tournament would not have been that difficult. But, we just decided it would be better to not sign up/play in the same tournament ever at all.
There are also very limited occasions where one of us played a little another person's house (like our parents or a friend), but this happened maybe only once a year or so. Again, however, regardless of where we were, we never played on the same table.
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How would it be possible for you to do so, and how would this even be a consideration that needs mentioning? You realize that it is impossible to log in to two FT accounts simultaneously on one computer, right?
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Why did you not simply point out that it is impossible for you to play together since you only have one computer?
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My best bet is that this seemed very suspicious to the security staff. It does see like one person was logging in and out between the two accounts. Of course the way you describe your play sessions it makes perfect sense.
My feel is you're pretty much innocent. The worst thing I can come up with that you might be doing is sharing a database.
My feel is you're pretty much innocent. The worst thing I can come up with that you might be doing is sharing a database.
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That's against the rules and all, but I can totally understand it given your situation. Heck I don't even know how you'd go about setting things up so you'd have separate databases. I'm sure there's a way. It's probably a pain though.
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The only angle I can think of here is double iron man rewards. That seems like a pretty lame thing to go after given the risk. I mean maybe at best they could swing an extra $2,000 a year out of duplicate iron man bonuses. Not really worth it at their stakes IMO.
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The angle of hiding a bots activity doesn't seem to make much sense either. Using the same computer/ip address would seem like a dead giveaway. I don't think it would hide much from the security team. It might actually raise red flags quicker. Plus I'd think the point there would be to play nearly 24/7. Which it sounds like they're far from doing even with both accounts combined.
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In the end I think Full Tilt will say there are a lot of warning signs but no proof of real wrong doing. The problem is sometimes they close accounts just because of enough warning signs. Good luck OP I think you deserve to have your accounts reinstated.
I've already discussed why this would be bad for us, not the least of which is that all of sudden we have lots of people studying every inch of our game. I don't know if we'd ever be able to win at poker again. Also, my wife asked me not to release her screen name, and on that request alone, I won't. I listed a bunch of other reasons in an earlier post as well.
Last edited by Mike Haven; 03-18-2010 at 09:42 AM.
03-17-2010
, 10:40 PM
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 229
I was tired when I read the quote and took it out of context like a few others did ><
03-17-2010
, 10:47 PM
Been following along catching up tonight I see that you are on OP so I am gonna try to lend a helping hand.
Go to the first page of this thread to post 9 get it on your monitor. Have a kid take a picture of you and your wife with your hands over your faces where we can see the pose and the monitor with the image in post 9. high resolution picture, if you want to block your faces better then write "2+2" on 2 pieces of paper and cover your faces with that. It would even give more weight if you can have a kid in front of each of you again fine to cover faces and have the third kid take a picture. You should have no problem doing this in 15 minutes. If you can do that it will add a tremendous amount of weight to the doubters.
I could lean either way, being an analytical type I'm inclined to believe something is shady going on. Still isn't going to convince all but it will add <i>some</i> more credibility.
The hand history thing is what I'm waiting to be dug up.
Go to the first page of this thread to post 9 get it on your monitor. Have a kid take a picture of you and your wife with your hands over your faces where we can see the pose and the monitor with the image in post 9. high resolution picture, if you want to block your faces better then write "2+2" on 2 pieces of paper and cover your faces with that. It would even give more weight if you can have a kid in front of each of you again fine to cover faces and have the third kid take a picture. You should have no problem doing this in 15 minutes. If you can do that it will add a tremendous amount of weight to the doubters.
I could lean either way, being an analytical type I'm inclined to believe something is shady going on. Still isn't going to convince all but it will add <i>some</i> more credibility.
The hand history thing is what I'm waiting to be dug up.
03-17-2010
, 10:48 PM
Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 13,111
You might choose to cite Annie Duke instead. Who would have exactly zero chance of crushing 5/10 online.
So... nice try.
FWIW, I have met and corresponded with thousands of poker players in my years on this forum, playing live, and playing online. Many of those were women, and many of those were married men or in committed relationships. I have yet to hear even a HINT of a woman like the one you describe as your wife.
I was also married to a hot female computer programmer, who knew all five other hot female computer programmers in Silicon Valley. So I don't want to hear any crap about how I am sexist, or that I don't understand that women can thrive in a male-dominated field.
Sure, it's possible that OP's wife exists as described, and that together they have made truly baffling decisions with regards to IT resources, time management, and money management, despite being smart enough to crush 5/10 while raising 3 kids.
But it's also possible that OP is FOS. I guess everyone will have to decide for themselves which is more likely.
Last edited by pineapple888; 03-17-2010 at 10:55 PM.
03-17-2010
, 10:53 PM
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My wife and I have called this number and the Dublin number with no success. My wife called the Dublin number and got a directory message. She said the computer directory asked her to type in the name of the person you want to contact. She said she didn't know a name to type in, but she said she was able to leave a message. We'll see if anyone calls us back.
03-17-2010
, 11:03 PM
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I've skimmed through the thread, and haven't seen it posted: Has OP offered up the screennames of he and his wife?
I would be super highly skeptical of someone that refuses to offer this information. If he is innocent, the 2p2 detectives can quickly verify this via PTR, databases, and personal experiences. An innocent person with 6 figures seized (and 3 hungry children..very hungry children, so hungry that a 100k bankroll can't buy two computers) would simply say, my screenname is X, my wife's screenname is Y, you guys check us out, we did nothing wrong.
Failure to provide this information would lead me to assign a near 99% probability of the OP being guilty. Sorry, if you want the 2p2 community to work on your behalf to get your funds unfrozen, you need to give us the relevant details. You lose your right to anonymity when you attempt to try your case in the court of public opinion.
I would be super highly skeptical of someone that refuses to offer this information. If he is innocent, the 2p2 detectives can quickly verify this via PTR, databases, and personal experiences. An innocent person with 6 figures seized (and 3 hungry children..very hungry children, so hungry that a 100k bankroll can't buy two computers) would simply say, my screenname is X, my wife's screenname is Y, you guys check us out, we did nothing wrong.
Failure to provide this information would lead me to assign a near 99% probability of the OP being guilty. Sorry, if you want the 2p2 community to work on your behalf to get your funds unfrozen, you need to give us the relevant details. You lose your right to anonymity when you attempt to try your case in the court of public opinion.
03-17-2010
, 11:11 PM
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 4,170
Somewhere the real cheaters of online poker are LTAO at this thread. I wish the sites would just get a clue and go after the real culprits instead of the average Joes and Janes who fit their FU'd profiles some moron made up to snatch a certain number each week to fill their quotas and justify their salary. It's all BS. Everyone here knows how hundreds and hundreds, thousands and thousands of people are cheating every day and yet nobody talks about that, they talk about this guy who plays on the same computer as his wife instead.
03-17-2010
, 11:13 PM
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Somewhere the real cheaters of online poker are LTAO at this thread. I wish the sites would just get a clue and go after the real culprits instead of the average Joes and Janes who fit their FU'd profiles some moron made up to snatch a certain number each week to fill their quotas and justify their salary. It's all BS. Everyone here knows how hundreds and hundreds, thousands and thousands of people are cheating every day and yet nobody talks about that, they talk about this guy who plays on the same computer as his wife instead.
03-17-2010
, 11:31 PM
If you have nothing to hide and actually are telling the truth, reveal your screen names. If you are unwilling to do this, you cannot expect to be taken seriously just because you took out a lot of time to fabricate a story.
Put up or shut up
Put up or shut up
03-18-2010
, 12:06 AM
In your correspondence you have freely and openly admitted to multiple violations of the terms and conditions.
03-18-2010
, 12:07 AM
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This really doesn't bother me. I think he just had to rename his saved files so it would be clearer when posting. Typing "husband graph" and "wife graph" seems like his attempt to show us which one is which. I realize that putting "my graph" and "wife graph" may have been just as easy/meaningful but this could just be the way he thought it was easiest. Definitely not a smoking gun imo.
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I don't get why everyone keeps asking for both user names?
Isn't that only going to show what he's already stated, that they would log in right after one another and that they have not played together before (other then some freeroll).
Where's the upside to him posting his username. Also, he is not his wife and he already stated she did not want him to post her user name.
Also, he already alluded to the fact that the last time he released his username to someone on 2+2(FTPSean) it didn't go so great for him (e.g. this whole thread).
Am I missing something? How does posting his name help him in any way?
Isn't that only going to show what he's already stated, that they would log in right after one another and that they have not played together before (other then some freeroll).
Where's the upside to him posting his username. Also, he is not his wife and he already stated she did not want him to post her user name.
Also, he already alluded to the fact that the last time he released his username to someone on 2+2(FTPSean) it didn't go so great for him (e.g. this whole thread).
Am I missing something? How does posting his name help him in any way?
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I grew up with two sisters. One older and one younger. My mother was a stay-at-home mom. I remember growing up she barely got any time to relax because she was always taking care of us, whether it be helping us with school, taking us to sports practices, rehearsals, and making us dinner, etc. When we were at school, she would clean the house and prepare for us to get off from school.
If I grew up in this decade, I just can't imagine my mother doing anything else but the same thing she did in the 80s when I grew up. In other words, I just cannot see her putting any time aside to do something (like play online poker for example) to make and supplement an income because she just didn't have the time.
Thats why she stayed home and my father went to work. Taking care of kids is a FULL TIME JOB in itself.
I suppose it's possible for two parents to raise 3 kids and both play online poker for a living but goddamn, they must not ever get any sleep.
If I grew up in this decade, I just can't imagine my mother doing anything else but the same thing she did in the 80s when I grew up. In other words, I just cannot see her putting any time aside to do something (like play online poker for example) to make and supplement an income because she just didn't have the time.
Thats why she stayed home and my father went to work. Taking care of kids is a FULL TIME JOB in itself.
I suppose it's possible for two parents to raise 3 kids and both play online poker for a living but goddamn, they must not ever get any sleep.
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If the stake is a six figure amount, shouldn't you consider legal action against Full tilt?
It is not the first time that I have heard that FTP is acting as if it is both the accusator and the judge, and by doing so is clearly leaving very little chance to the person to defend him/herself.
Personally I wouldn't hesitate to drag FTP in front of a court if they were to act in this kind of arbitrary way with me (even for 100 $).
Having said that, this would however be possible if everything is clear on your side.
I do hope that you find a rapid issue to this and hope the best for you and your family.
It is not the first time that I have heard that FTP is acting as if it is both the accusator and the judge, and by doing so is clearly leaving very little chance to the person to defend him/herself.
Personally I wouldn't hesitate to drag FTP in front of a court if they were to act in this kind of arbitrary way with me (even for 100 $).
Having said that, this would however be possible if everything is clear on your side.
I do hope that you find a rapid issue to this and hope the best for you and your family.
After reading some of the responses in this thread, I have to agree with her that a lot of people on here are sexist. Just think about how many people on here have already said (or implied) that she could not be a good mother and play poker at the same time.
Last edited by Mike Haven; 03-18-2010 at 09:46 AM.
03-18-2010
, 12:10 AM
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 297
Since we still don't have an update from FTP, is this one giant level and an advertisement for Stars?
03-18-2010
, 12:12 AM
Thanks for the answers. I think you have been honest.
03-18-2010
, 12:17 AM
Multi-accounting creates unfair advantages over your opponents which violates the integrity of the game.
03-18-2010
, 12:26 AM
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Yes, taking care of kids is a full time job. That is why we share the responsibility of it equally. And no, we don't play 40 hours of poker a week. We play far less than that. It's baffling to us that so many people seem unable to comprehend that a father can be just as nurturing (or sometimes even more so) than the mother.
03-18-2010
, 12:32 AM
Some people ITT are to harsh on OP and need to wait till FTP comes to a decision in a few days. I don't believe OP was Multi-accounting or colluding (just my gut feeling) and I hope FTP get to the bottom of it soon.
I don't like people who Multi-account and I wish the sites would perma-ban those who do instead of slap them on the wrist as they do now, but the sites needs real concrete proof before taking such a measure. Some high stakes players have or may still be Multi-accounting and sites should do more to stop it (at all levels). I just feel/hope op is innocent and it works out for him and his family.
I don't like people who Multi-account and I wish the sites would perma-ban those who do instead of slap them on the wrist as they do now, but the sites needs real concrete proof before taking such a measure. Some high stakes players have or may still be Multi-accounting and sites should do more to stop it (at all levels). I just feel/hope op is innocent and it works out for him and his family.
03-18-2010
, 12:34 AM
Quote:
Some people ITT are to harsh on OP and need to wait till FTP comes to a decision in a few days. I don't believe OP was Multi-accounting or colluding (just my gut feeling) and I hope FTP get to the bottom of it soon.
I don't like people who Multi-account and I wish the sites would perma-ban those who do instead of slap them on the wrist as they do now, but the sites needs real concrete proof before taking such a measure. Some high stakes players have or may still be Multi-accounting and sites should do more to stop it (at all levels). I just feel/hope op is innocent and it works out for him and his family.
I don't like people who Multi-account and I wish the sites would perma-ban those who do instead of slap them on the wrist as they do now, but the sites needs real concrete proof before taking such a measure. Some high stakes players have or may still be Multi-accounting and sites should do more to stop it (at all levels). I just feel/hope op is innocent and it works out for him and his family.
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