I am a little surprised they both play the same limits.

OP could you talk a little about this? Have you guys been playing together since the beginning?

I know you study/sweat, etc together but did your wife just jump into 5-10 or could you tell us a little bit about both of your poker history? Thanks

I’ve got a little time to respond to some posts. There were several posts asking or commenting on our last email to Full Tilt. So, I'll respond to those.

First, someone said that we sent that email only after Full Tilt had already given us a timeframe. Please understand that we had already sent them an email talking about the possibility of closing one of our accounts down before Full Tilt had ever given us a time frame. It is found at the end of the email, correspondence #18, in the section entitled “Resolutions?” I posted this email here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...9&postcount=79

Part of the reason we sent the follow-up email was to clarify that if an account had to be closed, which account we’d prefer that to be. We weren’t sure if our first email on that was completely clear.

Second, in an ideal world we’d like both our accounts to be reinstated, given an apology, and thanked for being loyal customers. However, we understand we live in a real world. We have a lot more to think about than just ourselves. We have our whole family to think about. Our biggest stress right now is that our bankroll is tied up and neither of us can access it. So, while we haven’t done what they accused us of, if there is a way to expedite this, then that has to be our top priority. Lemming pretty much hit it on the head in his post:

Third, even though we were not multi accounting, we have realized (partly from this thread) that we could have done some things in a better manner. Nofx’s post, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...6&postcount=63, helped us realize a couple things:

1. Even though we didn’t allow each other to play on the other’s account, allowing each other to freely access one another’s accounts for administrative purposes (cashing out, checking balance, changing emails/passwords, etc.) is according to a strict technical reading of the rule still a violation.

2. Sweating is allowed, but we were pushing the allowance to the edge by sweating so often and so frequently.

We also recognize that it is not best for one of us to quit our session, and then the other join or sit on the table that the first was just on. We can see why some people would object to that. We expect and understand that Full Tilt will at least give us a warning on these things. We understand why Full Tilt would give us that warning. If Full Tilt wants to reinstate our accounts, but give us a stern warning and tell us we can’t access one another’s account at all (even for administrative purposes), that we cannot sweat each other so frequently, and that we can’t join a table that the other was on for at least an hour (or whatever time period), then we can accept and understand that.

However, we understand that Full Tilt might want a simpler solution. Closing one of our accounts would obviously solve all of the above problems. While that is not an ideal solution for us, we understand that might be the most ideal for Full Tilt. We understand that is what Full Tilt has done with other players (including their Red Pros) who actually were multi accounting. If closing one account means getting access to our bankroll sooner, and being able to play poker sooner, then we are for that.

As for why my wife wants to still be able to play on Full Tilt, we now feel it is best that we just both play on different sites. So, if you’re an American, that leaves just two major sites: Full Tilt and PokerStars. We imagine it would be difficult to find many mid to high stake games at smaller sites like Ultimate Bet or Cake. My wife has been winning at Full Tilt the last six months, while I have not. So, I’m willing to pack my bags and try out PokerStars. Again, our main thing is to regain access to our bankroll, and to start playing poker again.

One thing we think would be going too far is confiscating all the FTPs and medals from my account. I really didn’t ever use my FTPs so I have a ton. I also have a ton of medals. We think it would be unfair to confiscate those. We don’t think we have done such egregious things that it deserves that. And, it is not unheard of for Full Tilt to close an account, but still allow the person to use his/her FTPs and medals:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...3&postcount=81

No, we both started out small and gradually moved up. Before Full Tilt, we both played micro and then small stakes at Party Poker and Pacific Poker. When my wife started playing on Full Tilt, she was playing smaller stakes at first and gradually moved up. I moved up a little faster than she did, but we are both where we are at now.

Ah

Regardless of the reasons, the fact that OP is speaking on his wife's behalf in this thread -- i.e., "We find this so insulting," "She has browsed the forums a little bit, but she doesn't really like what she has seen" -- does not help to dispel the suspicions that he also fights her battles for her on the tables.

The hesitation to provide more information based on privacy concerns doesn't help either, because, whether coincidental or not, that is precisely the explanation that people who do not want to release information for more nefarious reasons tend to adopt. I'm not saying this is necessarily the case here; just that it adds to the sense that we've heard it all before.

Furthermore, if I were a wrongdoer looking to rally public support, I would also admit to lesser transgressions to show that my honesty trumps all, and then hope that the goodwill gained from my minor confessions would cause others to credit my insistence that I did not commit the other, larger transgressions. Of course, I'm just a societal deviant.

Finally, all the talk about how sexist it is to question a woman's ability to raise kids and dominate difficult stakes is simply a red herring to avoid addressing how incredibly rare it is, particularly when evaluated against the more likely explanation... The fact that a woman CAN raise kids... CAN burn her bra... CAN vote... CAN sit on a corporate board... does not make it any more likely that she DOES play a male-dominated game at a very high level, particularly when Occam's Razor paints a different picture, as has been mentioned above.

I call for a Mod to lock this thread until such time that the OP either has an update from FTP or he is willing to release his usernames.

Until either of these happens it is just going round in circles.

Either this happened consistently or it didnt (e.g. rarely) at all.


Answer it. I will take your refusal to answer this question in a yes or no manner as an overall sign of guilt.
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Why do people actually doubt OP? Why cannot I believe that OP actually has a wife, actually has children, and that they actually play poker? ( i actually do) Whether they win or not is completely irrelevant.

However, being as factual as you want about the circumstances of two accounts does not preclude you from actually violating FTPs TOS. I do not doubt that you have a wife, children and use poker as a source of means. It should not seem impossible that just because you are truthful about the existence of two accounts, and the circumstances surrounding them that you indeed employ them in a manner that allows you to gain an edge over your opponents. Especially if you both play 5/10+, where playerpools are exceedingly small.

I'm not quite sure why these zealots keep wanting to wish that those of us who refuse to believe that you're being 100% truthful with us (and not massaging information in a manner that makes you seem innocent) are simply 20year old, malcontent, socially awkward losers. It is not quite helping your case when seemingly, you cannot even convince the majority of your peers (online poker players) that you are indeed innocent. And herein lies the irony of this thread.

Do you actually believe that making this thread and exposing yourself to public discourse surrounding your "case" as actually proven helpful?

23. We both just got the following email from Full Tilt:

In addition to both our accounts being closed, we are out some 800,000 FTPs and about 10,000-12,000 medals. Yep, Full Tilt really does hold its Red Pros to a higher standard.

Pretty ridiculous. MY suggestion would be outing your name publically at this point if you want to garner support from twoplustwo. Otherwise they will continue to remain skeptical. Especially since fulltilt is claiming you have not been honest. Soudns like they are now brining up ratholing claims etc.

Otherwise I guess all you can do is join a new site. But would 100% make it different sites like you suggested.

you can really be happy that you are allowed to withdraw your money; well, i am for you

No reason now that the screen names can't be shared. Are you willing to do that?

Wow, sucks to hear that... Tough luck there. Well, at least you got some "clarification" and you'll get your money back.

I still don't get why you can't keep one account though. All the other MA's were allowed to do so... Also, all their problems would be solved if you only had 1 account (e.g. sharing collected HHs, sitting with different accounts on the same table etc.). Meh, guess they need to make an example of it.

Your wife should become a red pro in order to get more housewives and mothers to play onlinepoker... Problem solved.

Yes, in time. Please allow us to get our money first. I doubt I'll post anymore for the next few days.

The current balance of your account is: $XX,XXX.XX and we will assist you in initiating a wire transfer withdrawal for this amount.

[ ] Balance of $XX,XXX.XX is greater than or equal to $100k

1 of 2 emails..Sum of the 2 accounts was over 100K...

Give OP a break for gods sake..

Because 2 five-digit #'s added together must equal six digits, right?? WRONG

There is 2 accounts.

$XX,XXX.XX + $XX,XXX.XX possibly = $XXX,XXX.XX

about $6k at most...

just be thankful your getting your $100k ffs OP.

+1

I'm not sure why OP Is still complaining atleast Full Tilt Is giving you an opportunity to get your money back.

Consider yourself lucky they didn't just take the money and say FU.

Advice:
1.get another computer
2.Play at different sites from now on
3.Feel very lucky FTP was NICE enough to allow you to withdrawl your money (not many people get that chance In your position)

hundreds of thousands of FTPs = loads and loads of rake = FTP must have a good reason to get rid of OP.

Just saying.

I’ve read the majority of the posts and skimmed through a number of them.

You and your wife claim to have been on FTP for a number of years. Seem to be winning players at mid-stakes. Throughout that time there was no desire to be playing online at the same time on different tables. I have the most problem with this point and I imagine that is what FTP is having a problem with. Your defense was that you only have one computer in your home.

Was there never a need for the kids to do homework while someone was playing? Did you or your wife never have the desire to surf or do other things on the internet while the other was grinding?

You have a stable household and a supportive wife. However you would play in shifts because of the one computer dilemma. So you lost time together because someone was playing. Please don’t say we’re together since one watches while the other plays. I would think the novelty of that would wear off over the years.

Three kids would seem to create quite a hectic schedule. I would think the purchase of a laptop would be a priority since you could both play at the same time and then have an extra hour or two to do other things together.

Each one of these points can be explained individually but when you add them all up it paints an unlikely picture.

Cliffs:

- Play same stakes. One would log off then the other would log on.
- Access to each other’s FTP accounts.
- Can’t afford another computer despite easily winning or losing that in day.
- No benefit in being able to play at the same time on different tables or other sites.

Good to see you outside the transfer thread Nimbus. Thanks for the point of view.

You might have a chance to protest the loss of your points. I think there was a case where someone was granted the chance to spend their points after their account was closed. Might want to search around for that one as a reference.

Sorry to hear this decision Andronicus. As far as I can tell FTP is overstepping in this case, but I can see their point of view as well. They can't be 100% sure and it looks like potentially shady action is going on so they err on the side of banning.

Good luck on Stars. Might want to send them email ahead of time before signing up to ask what they deem acceptable. At least at stars it sounds like support is responsive and helpful.

Other MAers who got to keep an account were playing on the second one ONLY for rakeback purposes.

If these accounts were used, as described, to gain an advantage, no matter how small, this is a MORE THAN FAIR decision by FT.

Think of it. Others have been taken advantage of and may in some way be owed compensation for this.