I just watched the full house vs. flush, and llari misplayed his hand, because the objective was to extract more $$$ on the river.

There were 2 ways llari could've played his hand on the river:

1. Bet 80k, and hope Ivey reraises, not likely, but still worth trying
2. Check river, Ivey bets 80k-95k, then reraise to w/e amount.
This way Ivey will most likely call, because he's committed.

I thought Ziiggy was trying to represent he paniced with Kigns or Aces when the scare card came.

As in, let Ivey think "Who in their right mind is making that move with Jacks full or J-10"

Then again what do I know, I suck at poker.

I thought Ziigy failed to get maximum value on all his big hands. He also raised too much against Durrr with relative nuts.

Ivey's turn call was fine, because of his draws, and it was against llari.
I'm guessing Ivey put llari on Q9, 98, or even KQ, so I can see why Ivey called the turn bet.

"I thought Ziigy failed to get maximum value on all his big hands. He also raised too much against Durrr with relative nuts agisnt Durrr."

Agreed.

Although, I actually liked llari's reraise on the river, because if I was in the hand, I'd think "Hmmm, if he had the 9, then he would shove..no?"

All I know is, I can't wait to watch tonight's episode, because llari is DEF. regretting how he played the hand vs. Ivey, which usually = -EV

maybe ivey wasn't thinking to deeply about his turn call, he was just thinking "lets gamble"

Who the hell is laughing @ 0:15? It didn't sound like any of the players to me.

I thought it was Durrr.

PA imo.

Sounds more like Phil Laak than anyone at the table. But not quite Laak either.

+1

Sounds like laughing god.

Zigmund laughing at it himself, or Durr, he seems to be laughing pretty hard. PA's laughing, but not quite as hard.

it's phil ivey doing an impression of ziigmund doing an impression of PA laughing

Definetly PA.

Ziigmund is getting cards now, but like everyones stating, hes not getting value on the river... 100k on the river (2/3rds of the pot) would look to be a much more reasonable bet than the shove - after seeing Ziigmund play and take down so many pots in a row, Phil might be curious enough to look him up. Also, it looks like a reasonable amount for Ziigmund to bet given that Ivey is representing a big draw by calling such a large turn bet - Ziigmund can't really put Ivey on a flush as low as 36s with a pf raise, calling a re-raise on the flop, and a big bet on the turn. 100k also means that any re-raise Phil might put out guarantees everything goes in the middle.

PA doesn't really laugh audibly, and definitely not in that "HAHAHA" manner, neither does durrr, who mostly laughs without making a sound, giggles or has a much more silent and high-pitched haha. I've never heard Ziigmund laugh audibly but it seems unlikely that it's him.

He rarely does, but (IIRC) that's what it sounds like when he does.

(This prolly getting bit too fanboish, so I'll wait until next episode and see who it really is).

I shouldn't have said the whole hand. Pf, Flop is w/e.


At the start you say you expect Zig to bet the flop w/ 1010+, 88. Then you say "More importantly the river 7 counterfeits 22, 44-66 and also puts him ahead of 33, 88, TT+". That's contradictory, and I really don't think those hands are much of Zigs range by the river.

On the turn Dwan is repping a 9. After the turn call we can take out TT+ imo since he would have bet that on the flop, and imo take out hands like 22-44-66. I really don't think think they would be still in the hand w/ lots of action 4 way. Mostly non-factors.


So river Dwan has overrepped his hand w/ his turn bet. If he has Zigs range as 33, draws, and 9's then what's he valuebetting against? Draws fold, 33 folds, and he looses to 9's.

I think the fold is pretty easy on the river. Dwan's been repping a 9 on the turn and river. So even the part of Zigs range that did miss probably isn't likely to c/r bluff into a guy that's been telling him he has 99977. And the other part of his range is top FH.

This is an online move...they always shove these hands on the river and get snap-called

my point with the counterfeit comment is that if ziig calls him with like the A high flush draw and river forces Tom to bluff if he has like 55 or whatever.

the putting him ahead of 33, 88, TT+ comment is kind of an afterthought. Yes we don't expect ziig to have these hands but even if he does we're ahead of them.

On the turn Dwan is not repping a 9. Hes trying to valueraise with what he believes to be the best hand.

It's really hard to say anything of Zigs river bet in the Ivey hand imo. It's obv not standard, but we've seen like 100 hands of them. There very likely could be metagame that we're not aware of and likely is.

lol zig is the man

He may very well be trying to value raise. But in his villain's eyes he's repping a 9 there. And I don't think his villain is likely to bluff c/r the river after he's done that imo.

Watching Howard play is like watching paint dry.. I've never seen anyone at a casino play as slow as this guy. I'd hate to be at his table.

I know it's Patrik.

its ez to play poker when your hitting cards. I dont care who you are.

but zigmund has taken down his fair share of pots with the worst hand. he played the best in this episode