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NEW Poker After Dark - "Top Guns" - Weeks of Sept. 7 - 14 Who Wins The Most $? (Spoilers ITT)

View Poll Results: Who Will Win The Most $ (two weeks)?

Tom Dwan

146 37.73%

Patrik Antonius

59 15.25%

Howard Lederer

56 14.47%

Eli Elezra

11 2.84%

Ilari "Ziigmund" Sahamies

17 4.39%

Phil Ivey

98 25.32%

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09-16-2009 , 07:11 PM

#951

inn_Nstruct

old hand

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,839

Ivey stone cold ignores Dwan when he comes up with his "No-Limit Omaha + Props" idea. Kinda funny how Dwan behaves in this situation.

Good action btw.

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09-16-2009 , 07:50 PM

#952

Rnr_Rnr_Hobgoblin

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Originally Posted by Kclclclclfhg

He said so in the 2+2 Pokercast.

thanks

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09-16-2009 , 08:00 PM

#953

Jetto

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Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 10,886

so they played about 10 hours str8 with some breaks in between? dwan said how he got little sleep the days beforehand

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09-16-2009 , 08:15 PM

#954

TheGeekXIV

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 72

Can anybody answer me a quick question about the props? When the players declare doubles, I'm assuming the payout on the prop is doubled because of something on the flop, either the cards coming in some sort of certain sequence, or a certain card being the high card or something else, can anyone tell me if I'm right or wrong, and if I'm wrong what are doubles?

Sorry if this is a really dumb question or has been asked loads of times before.

Thanks in advance.

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09-16-2009 , 08:25 PM

#955

playinpoka

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 340

wat is Ivey saying just before calling off durr with AJ ??
I hear "you know guys I call this double right, just wanted to clear that up"
Im I right? Not sure wat he means tho.Is he really making a comment on the props while contemplating such a tough call?

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09-16-2009 , 08:38 PM

#956

fuluck

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,532

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Originally Posted by Vendatte

the intro gets cornier and cornier everytime i watch it

jenn harman's boobs gets bigger and bigger every time i watch it

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09-16-2009 , 08:56 PM

#957

fuluck

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,532

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Originally Posted by NicksDad1970

I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm curious, do you know he's set aside a lot of cash or are you guessing?

ilari stated on 2p2 pokercast that he has put a lot of money away

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09-16-2009 , 08:57 PM

#958

Rnr_Rnr_Hobgoblin

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Originally Posted by playinpoka

I believe PA, Ivey, and Eli all have 1 or 2 specific cards that count as double if they come on the flop.

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09-16-2009 , 09:35 PM

#959

pkrplr68

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Originally Posted by peterpjames

EDIT: You sound like a grumpy nit who plays AA/KK faceup, has somebody stack you with "a dominated hand" because your range is so obvious, and then complain about "them damn interwebs players".

Are you kidding me? I don't hate them, I love them. They pay my bills. Please keep them interwebs players coming. Oh, and by the way you missed the point.

Struck a nerve?

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09-16-2009 , 09:39 PM

#960

Gdaddy

journeyman

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 279

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Originally Posted by fuluck

jenn harman's boobs gets bigger and bigger every time i watch it

So does Phil Helmuths ManBoobs

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09-16-2009 , 09:46 PM

#961

Carnivore

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Originally Posted by Timmehhh

It's really annoying for Durr to have someone with I believe like 400bb deep to have position on you. Howard won't play much , so a lot of times it's just Durr vs Ivey headsup while Ivey having position. Also it's not that difficult for Ivey to make that play. They are playing like 400k. If Ivey makes it 84k there isn't much Dwan can do besides call with his good hand JJ+ and AQ, some connectors and fold everything else. He can't make it 200k or something because that would be half the stack, and would be a way too costly bluf.
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Actually, it's pretty much shove or fold for Dwan after Ivey makes it 84k.

That's the beauty of the play. For 84k he can make Dwan make a 400k decision.

Calling with AQ, JJ, or any connectors would be absolutely horrible. It's almost 25% of the stack. LOLOLOLOL.

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09-16-2009 , 09:49 PM

#962

Carnivore

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Originally Posted by chinz

Who's Patrick and why would he borrow money to ziigmund? And why wouldn't Ziigmund rather use $3.55 millions he's won at FTP since HSDB started logging... and/or the money he's won before that or playing on euro sites?

If he won 3.5 million online, he lost 30% of that on HSP and PAD combined in basically 2 sessions....it's weird.

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09-16-2009 , 09:52 PM

#963

Carnivore

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Originally Posted by peterpjames

I like Eli check calling A9o on KJx board and then folding later in the hand, good lord he spews money OOP with no plan in a hand or any initiative.

Also potting it with AQo in the 3bet pot vs Ivey and PA, wow he is really bad.

The cold call of 3bet with AQ was as bad as the 88, so this time he donked back the money eh won with the 88.

Interestingly enough, if Ivey doesn't flop a set, that 50k bet takes it down. However, a 35k bet would've done the exact same.

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09-16-2009 , 10:06 PM

#964

Carnivore

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Originally Posted by Qsoumha

he himself admits he's a fish in nlhe

Pretty bad at making financial decisions then too perhaps, since coming on these shows, playing terrible, and losing a half million each time is pretty stupid.

I wouldn't want to play a game on TV with some of the world's best if I sucked at it. It would be embarassing. The mysterious Zigmund had some allure, now he just looks like a donk.

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09-16-2009 , 10:15 PM

#965

exec771

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Originally Posted by Veil

It's quite weird how you keep getting fundamental things wrong. In a standard single raised heads up hand, generally, what you say is fine. However here Eli can get both opps off of all mediocre 1 pair hands or maybe even middle pair+ straight (or maybe even low flush draw)draw type hands a lot more easily with a 50k bet than a 35k bet. Or even a hand like 77 is folding more easily and of course 55, etc, etc. It obviously generally shows that Eli is much more serious about the pot. Ivey nor Pat is going to get away from, say any top pair everrr to a 35k position bet in that spot.
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How do you analyze every hand, and get each one wrong, its quite amusing..

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09-16-2009 , 10:21 PM

#966

otatop

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Originally Posted by Carnivore

Metagame.

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09-16-2009 , 10:24 PM

#967

DevinLake

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Originally Posted by Kclclclclfhg

I'm not going to evaluate his skills since I'm not capable of doing that

More people itt need to start their posts this way. Then, they need to stop typing.

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Originally Posted by pkrplr68

Are you kidding me? I don't hate them, I love them. They pay my bills. Please keep them interwebs players coming. Oh, and by the way you missed the point.

Struck a nerve?

What was your point? That hot and cold preflop equities are all that is important, and anyone that makes a call preflop from an equity disadvantage is just lucky if they win money?

Your example didn't really clear things up, because it was about putting money in bad, and getting lucky to win. But, then the hand you talk about shows durrr putting like 2.5k in bad in a 120k pot.

It's all just a little confusing...

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09-16-2009 , 11:10 PM

#968

Zajebisty

adept

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 946

Hey Veil - how many times have you posted in this thread? Maybe time to give someone else a chance?

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09-17-2009 , 02:01 AM

#969

Veil

adept

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 812

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Originally Posted by Zajebisty

Hey Veil - how many times have you posted in this thread? Maybe time to give someone else a chance?

haha okay sorry, won't post much anymore. But everyone keeps responding to me. And the funny thing is, they respond telling me how wrong I am with "every" hand, yet don't offer up any rebuttal - just an assertion that I'm wrong. Yet I'm also just discussing very fundamental things too I thought