Howard's nickname was "Bubba" when he used to be a tubby sumbitch. After he lost weight it was shortened to "Bub." Eli's accent does make it sound a lot like Bob though.

lol that's great. Thanks for the explanation.

Blinds are now at 500/1000, 200 Ante
Right?

oh yeah

Two million? wat

He is maybe down 500k but hardly 2M.

Hope Ivey can keep the lead.

sometimes i really wonder wtf eli is doing

i actually lol'd when he peeled that flop with k10 there

Has anyon mentioned ELi's insta fold on the turn when the board was like T58 and he has T7. turn is a J and ivey had 79. awesome fold, yes?

If you like limp-calling 6.5x raises with T7o out of position, you're going to need to be able to make these folds so you only lose in 80% of your sessions and not 100%

Howard Lederer takes way to damn long to decide, so ****ing tilting.

Maybe people aren't making rebuttals because A) it's the TV forum and trying to talk strategy in here is just makes anyone decent at poker bang their head off a wall and B) because you won't listen anyway.

I'll give it a shot though. You come to the conclusion that Patrik as 22-TT a pretty high amount of the time.

Here's where I think you assumptions bread down.

A) you think this cause you think Patrik thinks AK is a much greater part of howard's range than like QQ+ because of hand combos. However, Howard is probably not 4betting AK against a limp/raise anywhere close to 100% of the time.

B) Patrik probably is rarely limp/raising 22-TT against Howards raise because those hands do horrible against his 3bet calling range or 4bet range and 22-TT has way too much value to turn into bluffs.

C) pot-to-stack considerations. They aren't that deep for Patrik to be messing around with marginal hands oop in 4bet pots.

I will not respond to another post of yours...so don't take it as me not having a response to you arguments.

doubles usually means when you win a certain prop you can say your on for doubles so if the very next flop you hit again you get paid double.

Ivey seemed pretty grumpy in that episode, especially towards Eli. Ziig still not hitting the flop and having people hit their sets with case cards, can't win in a game like that.

Which is fine, but not as a hit and run tactic.

Course I will, I'm all ears

Actually, my argument is against one stubborn poster who says that Pat practically NEVER has anything besides JJ+/AK preflop there EVER. I'm surprised I'm wasting this much time debunking this ridiculous claim.

heh, I already commented on this exact thing after my assumptions post. What you're missing though, is that I'm just saying that Pat could think Howard has AK a very good amount of the time. So kinda ignore hand combos - I was just dumbing that part down for one poster. But to cite a shallow precedent, HSP Howard 4bet AK against durrr.. but again, the main point is that Pat most probably thinks Howard is 4betting AK a good amount of the time. Especially watching the rest of the hand we can easily conclude this (Although I realise pat has the AA so he probably discredits Howard having AA, but it appears he's discrediting the KK too when one flops, so we're left with 6 AA instead of 1 AA and a lot more AK's if we assume pat does not have an A or K in his hand pre - so this point still stands).

I must admit, Pat has been playing this session muchhh more tight than I've ever seen from him. He's normally pretty laggy. But still, I get sooo many hands combos here that if you compare it with the minuscule range of KK+ and "sometimes" AK, on that board (what blanco is saying), and the way Pat played it - I would think that even if we think that Pat is limp/reraising with any of those pairs plus a bajillion other random sorta hands - that it would only need to be something pretty ridiculous small. Maybe like less than 2% of the time with any.

This has been discussed ad infinitum. My assumption implies that Pat already took the opportunity to 'mess around' in the hand. He coulda saw Dwan's dead money in there and thought Howard is on a steal (or would even fold a AJ type of hand to pressure). So with say, 88, he could easily decide to re-steal instead of the weak limp/call play. Now when Howard 4bets, PA is getting 2 to 1 immediate odds. Since AK is a good part of Howard's range in Pa's mind as discussed earlier - it wouldn't be a good fold at all - and with 9.5 to 1 stack odds all up. Kinda the perfect implied odds if Howard has the big pair, because it looks as though it's gonna be pretty hard to get away from. But more advanced-wise - it looks like Pat can never be bluffing Howard - so this is what makes it a very good bluffing opportunity. And when the K flops Pat could easily be turning his medium pair hands into bluffs, maybe thinking Howard has JJ/QQ.

At the turn, the way played, I'm very convinced that Pat is turning up with way, way more hands than KK+ here, contradictory to blanco's exaggerated claim. Especially from Howard's pespective, this would be just 1 AA and 3 KK's. For the record that is less than 0.4% of all hands on the turn. Actually Blanco says PA wouldn't even have AA this often, and he's right - because he's not flatting pre 100%, and he's not doing that kinda weird play post-flop often with AA. So 0.4% is generous.

Cmon lucky scalp!

i choked

I remember him saying "I'm down a million? That's sick" on HSP.

He was down 400-500k on PAD iirc earlier when I made this post. Now he's only down 200k I think.

On "the Game" I remember him just playing completly spewtastic against Patrick. I don't know how much he was down there since it was a different language, but he seemed down.

From his blog:

“I was playing in the tv show The Game in London, and in the end I was up nicely, more than any other player there. But the second I came back to Finland, my rolls were all around Full Tilt.”

He said "Am I in for million? that's sick" on HSP. on the game he ended up winning like 200k or something and was the biggest winner there like donkingdeuces said.

ps. just registered and first post.

Yeah, as tayskala said he stated he's in for a million.
That was shortly after winning the 250k all in pot from DN, where Ilari had him covered.
so he lost about 700k on HSP.

i dont think he really was in for a million though, i think dwan made a mistake and corrected himself later on.. i could be wrong its been awhile.

yeah this, he only thought he was in for a million because durrr made a mistake with regards to some money they had lent each other.

he was stuck like maybe 400-500k on hsp? and curshed on the game.

can i ask you what site and what limits do you play. how about your sn?

ep 9 up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-ydH...D13477F8A37726

Ivey is angleshooting the **** out of durrr.Did he really ask to see Tom's
mucked cards after durrr called on the river in the AJ vs KT hand?