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NEW Poker After Dark - "Top Guns" - Weeks of Sept. 7 - 14 Who Wins The Most $? (Spoilers ITT)

View Poll Results: Who Will Win The Most $ (two weeks)?

Tom Dwan

146 37.73%

Patrik Antonius

59 15.25%

Howard Lederer

56 14.47%

Eli Elezra

11 2.84%

Ilari "Ziigmund" Sahamies

17 4.39%

Phil Ivey

98 25.32%

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09-09-2009 , 09:43 AM

#276

Masq

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Originally Posted by SizzlerFTW

Great show.

Seems to me Ivey really dislikes Dwan. But likes Ziggy. lol

He probably relates a lot better to Ziig than Dwan. I'm sure Ziig is an easier guy to hang with.

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09-09-2009 , 09:51 AM

#277

CESARIAN

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Why does Howard get soooo much hate???? yeah hes a nit...but remember the good ol days when TAG was "winning poker"? Now it seems u have to be a loose maniac to get any love on here....the guy is in a lineup with guys who are considered by this forum (rightfully so) as the toughest players in the world! I would like to see how many of us would fare in THAT game!

Disclaimer: FWiw i am a big durrr, ivey, PA etc. supporter...but give sum credit to the professor! lol

Disclaimer #2: not a level

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09-09-2009 , 09:54 AM

#278

WhiteWhidow

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omfg leean treeden is so hot

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09-09-2009 , 10:04 AM

#279

Lars1

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the nit isnt playing that tight. i almost thought he would fold the aces hand vs PA

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09-09-2009 , 10:09 AM

#280

CESARIAN

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Originally Posted by Lars1

the nit isnt playing that tight. i almost thought he would fold the aces hand vs PA

Well its a pretty sick spot to be in....He had already gotten stacked with AA to Eli...plus wat in the world is PA minraising teh flop with given teh preflop action?? KK...99...K9..are the only things in his range really...and teh chances of someone else having the other AA are ******edly slim to say the least....

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09-09-2009 , 10:13 AM

#281

CESARIAN

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Originally Posted by exec771

Yea people keep complaining about how he runs, but in all the episodes of PAD and HSP combined I've yet to see him play a hand wrong even after seeing hole cards. He calls in the right spots raises in the right spots, his instincts are just phenomenal.

I remember a hand from the last PAD cash game where he had QQ and raised and Esfandiari called out of the bb with 77. Esfandiari then led a 7 high flop oop And Durr just called. Obv Durr spiked a Q on the river and stacked him, but he played the hand really well calling on the flop and checking back a 9 turn or something when most people would bet and get stacked.

This hand too was pretty awesome especially because of the prop bets and durr indicating pf that he probably had black cards. They were deep enough where Durr probably raise folds that river in Antonius moves in.

Man cash games are sooo much better than that stupid sng format.

Come on nobody is getting stacked with QQ on the 9 turn..especially in a multiway pot super deep..especially Durrrr who is super good and indeed has sick instincts for the game...altho he has misplayed a couple hands on television and especially on the net...his call vs Laak when he had a pair of jacks vs Laaks flooped straight was pretty bad...and also his value bet vs. Doyle wasnt too good by durrr standards...and lets not forget that Q2 hand vs hellmuth...BET TOM BET!!

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09-09-2009 , 10:20 AM

#282

inn_Nstruct

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Originally Posted by CESARIAN

he wouldnt limp/reraise utg with K9,99 especially against Lederer "the nit"..... well maybe sometimes if hes really crazy but almost never.
yeh its an ugly spot, in howard's position I'd put PA on AK or AA/KK, and against this range he is a 62%. So no way to get out of this hand.

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09-09-2009 , 10:28 AM

#283

CESARIAN

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Originally Posted by inn_Nstruct

Ya good point...but i think PA is definitely capable of limp reraising with 99 (representing kings or aces) OR with K9 as a squeeze play...either way after the flop Howard is put in a horrible spot

Also the hand vs eli...everyone keeps saying its standard to shove the turn...but eli cant ever have a nine there?? reallY?? eli is ridicoulously loose and can have just about anything at anytime and limp reraising against howard the super nit is way better cuz all those other guys are gonna defend way more than howard who is only gonna call with QQ+

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09-09-2009 , 12:11 PM

#284

cpitt398

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Originally Posted by o0ch

anyone else see Ziggy and Patrik trying to contain their laughter during Howard's check/raise with king high VS durr?

I kno he didn't show the hand but I'm pretty sure they were laughing at Howard tanking at the 2,300$ bet into a 4k~ish pot

Am I right here or were they laughing about something else?

i thought they were laughing because they assumed Howard had a huge hand and was doing a poor job of "hollywooding" since he took so long to raise, when in fact, thats what he wanted them to think.

imo obv

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09-09-2009 , 12:16 PM

#285

UCBananaboy

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LoL at way PA pronounces sashimi

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09-09-2009 , 12:26 PM

#286

Jetto

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I need to head on over to NBC.com and watch last nites ep.

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09-09-2009 , 12:28 PM

#287

Brian J

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Originally Posted by Spenda

no one else's channel cut to commercial about 30 seconds after Durrrr made it 96k?

Yeah, this happened in Dallas. Really annoyed me because I never saw the conclusion.

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09-09-2009 , 12:33 PM

#288

UCBananaboy

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Any idea when this was filmed?

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09-09-2009 , 12:46 PM

#289

SaltyVeteran

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Originally Posted by otatop

Did anyone else notice Leeann's lisp? I've never noticed it before, but it was pretty hardcore during the intro.

Wow, I hate you. I've never noticed it before either, now it's gonna kill me every sthime she sthalks.

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09-09-2009 , 12:53 PM

#290

High Time John

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durrrr

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09-09-2009 , 01:54 PM

#291

otatop

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Originally Posted by EZJZ

True, they need to raise the stakes to eliminate the prop betting.

There needs to be game on TV that they are really interested in playing. They need to televise Bobby's Room.

Raising the stakes won't eliminate the props.

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09-09-2009 , 02:07 PM

#292

parisron

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$50k red and black is sick. lol

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09-09-2009 , 02:28 PM

#293

invid

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I dont get why they insist on not folding and keeping their cards when they're prop betting. Like before the red/black prop flop...zig said hes calling no matter what cause he had black cards. How does this affect the prop?

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09-09-2009 , 02:34 PM

#294

UCBananaboy

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Originally Posted by invid

Him playing ensures that a flop will be seen.

Having 2 black cards in his hand increases the likelihood that two red cards will flop. If he doesn't stay in and it gets folded around or blind-stolen, then there is no flop, hence no prop bet.

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09-09-2009 , 02:37 PM

#295

Dima2000123

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Originally Posted by otatop

Raising the stakes won't eliminate the props.

Banning them like on HSP would, however. FFS, this is supposed to be entertainment for us, not for them.

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09-09-2009 , 02:38 PM

#296

Rizzn

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howard is horrible

his hollywood with AA made me cringe

and for god sake brush your teeth man

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09-09-2009 , 02:40 PM

#297

cocktails

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Im a ivey fan but the way ivey looked at dwan in ep1 when dwan was lolling because he tought ivey was joking he really looked like a bitch. Ivey only needed some long hair, make up and a pussy. He could have just explained himself in a normal way, dwan obvious didnt expect phill ivey was a partypooper in side betting, and i think nobody expected it.