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Originally Posted by einbert
Okay so back up for a second. You said that the AME church believes in taking personal responsibility and investing in your own education. I completely agree with that. At the same time, I believe the Ta-Nehisi side of the argument, specifically that public resources are not being evenly distributed and we all need to fight for that in all public spheres.
I am a huge believer in education and I believe we can create a whole new generation of talented coders and robotics engineers and I.T. workers, but those kids need the resources from K-12 and the ability to go through the University levels of education as well if we want to give them the best chance possible to succeed. I'm saying society and the individual play a role. It's a theory called the interpersonal theory of society--I've been influenced partially by Japanese culture where I was lucky enough to live for a while. The late famous Christian author M. Scott Peck was a big advocate of this idea of society. I'm an atheist but I happen to think he made a whole lot of sense on the issue.
The whole thing is, everybody pays taxes. Everybody should get access to a good public education all the way through the university level, and it would benefit our entire society as well--stimulation of the economy through the ability of the working and middle classes to spend more money is a serious thing!
That is quite a big step back from the position of white culture permeating all thought and being the cause of the problems of black society, and I'm sure you can understand why such a point comes off as an abdication of personal responsibility at first glance.
If the above is all you are advocating, then the only real difference is the means of which it is achieved (AME church and black conservatives tend to believe that it must start locally through local communities rather than a broad reaching solution by the state, and that the problems of the local community should be fixed by the local community first), as I had posted previously:
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Originally Posted by Mori****a System
- Staying in school and getting an education
- Not doing drugs or alcohol
- Not getting pregnant or getting someone pregnant before marriage
- Not committing crimes.
- Community outreach by the black community to the other communities, and especially to the police, which includes reporting crimes and criminals to the police and having community leaders meet with the police community outreach divisions weekly.
- Removing the Uncle Tom mindset and reaching out to successful black people to mentor other black people on how to succeed. Had many guest speakers from law enforcement, military, business, etc. give their experiences as successful black members of society.
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Originally Posted by einbert
- -Universal healthcare
- -Universal university education
- -National living minimum wage
- -New bill of voting rights including an end to Electoral College and gerrymandering, and voter suppression efforts such as those in North Carolina and Georgia
- -New bill of civil rights
- -An end to the national mass incarceration policy and the War on Drugs
- -An end to all felony disenfranchisement immediately
The last two points are why I supported Jim Webb, though his campaign went nowhere.
I don't agree with any of the rest of the points, but again the differences are really regarding the means to achieve the same goal rather than a true ideological difference.