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Old 02-23-2017, 01:17 PM   #1501
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So are you saying my voice is invalid because of the color of my skin?
No, I'm saying I'm glad we finally have the perspective of a self-hating white liberal in this forum. We've been lacking that perspective. I'm sure you will bring a unique and fresh view on things.

Please, keep telling us minorities how they should feel in a society of white supremacy. I'm a minority, I'm fascinated. What can I do to make you make my life better?
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:22 PM   #1502
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I am not claiming blacks commit more crimes than white and I'm not trying to justify cop racism.
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I am just asking the question: Are we okay with cops more heavily policing high crimes area? If an all white high school is a high crime area are we okay with cops arresting a high percent of white people? If an all black high school is a high crime area are we okay with cops arresting a high percent of black people?
Perhaps the reason an area is marked as high crime is because the police are hassling black people there at a higher rate than they are in a predominately white neighborhood?

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If you aren't okay with this then do you want the police to spend equal time in every neighborhood and are you okay with the fact that it will lead to less overall arrests and getting less criminals and drugs off the streets?
There needs to be institutional changes made to address systemic racism. Maybe if we spent money on better training of the police instead of giving them APC's and ninja tactical gear the problem wouldn't be so widespread.
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:22 PM   #1503
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:34 PM   #1504
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No, I'm saying I'm glad we finally have the perspective of a self-hating white liberal in this forum. We've been lacking that perspective. I'm sure you will bring a unique and fresh view on things.

Please, keep telling us minorities how they should feel in a society of white supremacy. I'm a minority, I'm fascinated. What can I do to make you make my life better?
Why is your stereotype of self-hating liberals more persuasive than the alleged self-hater's information concerning racism?

Is telling stuff like "please keep telling minorities how to feel' to allies of minorities really what's happening? i don't see that.

If you, as one minority, reject white allies for this or that reason, that is fine- but is discussing and providing information about racism really 'telling you how to feel'?

I'm asking as some who has listened to a lot of people's expressed feelings in this area, many who are in minority groups. That listening is an important step in understanding racism in my experience.
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:38 PM   #1505
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Why is your stereotype of self-hating liberals more persuasive than the alleged self-haters information concerning racism?

Is telling stuff like "please keep telling minorities how to feel' to allies of minorities really what's happening? i don't see that.

If you, as one minority, reject white allies for this or that reason, that is fine- but is discussing and providing information about racism really 'telling you how to feel'?

I'm asking as some who has listened to a lot of people's expressed feelings in this area, many who are in minority groups. That listening is an important step in understanding racism in my experience.
Because his speech is condescending and rude. I don't need your help, I don't need your pity. Treat me fairly and I'll figure out the rest.

I grow tired of it. If I lived my life as a victim the only possible result is resentment and anger. There literally is no good result. My people will never be equal, never be in the same power circles and never be as numerous. If we have to keep up the fight until it is, then the fight will never end.

Why people can't understand this is mind-boggling. You are literally creating a permanent underclass.
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:41 PM   #1506
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Treat me fairly
What if a lot of people aren't treated fairly?
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What if a lot of people aren't treated fairly?
In what way? Are you implying I'm treated exactly the same as every other race in the united States, in every situation?
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:51 PM   #1509
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If the way that kerowo seems to be making some good points itt.
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Because his speech is condescending and rude. I don't need your help, I don't need your pity. Treat me fairly and I'll figure out the rest.

I grow tired of it. If I lived my life as a victim the only possible result is resentment and anger. There literally is no good result. My people will never be equal, never be in the same power circles and never be as numerous. If we have to keep up the fight until it is, then the fight will never end.

Why people can't understand this is mind-boggling. You are literally creating a permanent underclass.
Your opinion is wrong all over the place, I don't even know where to start. Even if you are only half-wrong, you are still fighting against people's allies they want and ask for. So it's fair you can opt- yourself out, but making claims about victimizations and underclasses doesn't persuade probably anyone to stop helping.
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Your voice is valid. It just might not represent the vast majority opinion of people of color in the U.S., that's all I'm saying.
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:02 PM   #1512
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Your opinion is wrong all over the place, I don't even know where to start. Even if you are only half-wrong, you are still fighting against people's allies they want and ask for. So it's fair you can opt- yourself out, but making claims about victimizations and underclasses doesn't persuade probably anyone to stop helping.
We disagree, then. The path you are going down leads to nothing but anger and resentment.

You'll never make things better the way you are approaching it. Period.
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:06 PM   #1513
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Wild theory but what if a permanent underclass was built that time when a bunch of people got imported from Africa to do labor against their will for no pay.

And if white libruls would have just stayed out since 1870 or whatever then we'd currently be in utopia, right?
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Wild theory but what if a permanent underclass was built that time when a bunch of people got imported from Africa to do labor against their will for no pay.

And if white libruls would have just stayed out since 1870 or whatever then we'd be currently in utopia, right?
White liberals are complicit in black disenfranchisement post-Reconstruction, in fact directly so. Going along to get along is exactly what got us here.

The Compromise of 1877
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In the months following the Election of 1876, but prior to the inauguration in March 1877, Republican and Democratic leaders secretly hammered out a compromise to resolve the election impasse and address other outstanding issues.

Under the terms of this agreement, the Democrats agreed to accept the Republican presidential electors (thus assuring that Rutherford B. Hayes would become the next president), provided the Republicans would agree to the following:

To withdraw federal soldiers from their remaining positions in the South
To enact federal legislation that would spur industrialization in the South
To appoint Democrats to patronage positions in the South
To appoint a Democrat to the president’s cabinet.

Once the parties had agreed to these terms, the Electoral Commission performed its duty. The Hayes’ electors were selected and Hayes was named president two days before the inauguration.

Why did the Democrats so easily give up the presidency that they had probably legitimately won? In the end it was a matter of practicality. Despite months of inflammatory talk, few responsible people could contemplate going to war. A compromise was mandatory and the one achieved in 1877, if it had been honored, would have given the Democrats what they wanted. There was no guarantee that with Samuel J. Tilden as president the Democrats would have fared as well.

To the four million former slaves in the South, the Compromise of 1877 was the “Great Betrayal." Republican efforts to assure civil rights for the blacks were totally abandoned. The white population of the country was anxious to get on with making money. No serious move to restore the rights of black citizens would surface again until the 1950s.
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wil,

Your voice is valid. It just might not represent the vast majority opinion of people of color in the U.S., that's all I'm saying.
It's interesting that the minorities that would rather not speak about our differences and concentrate on what brings us together seem to tend to lead happier, more satisfied lives than the ones who don't, right?
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Wild theory but what if a permanent underclass was built that time when a bunch of people got imported from Africa to do labor against their will for no pay.

And if white libruls would have just stayed out since 1870 or whatever then we'd currently be in utopia, right?
With the way you people talk, if I was black I'd hate your guts too.
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:13 PM   #1517
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It's interesting that the minorities that would rather not speak about our differences and concentrate on what brings us together seem to tend to lead happier, more satisfied lives than the ones who don't, right?
While this is an unsourced claim, let's roll with it - what conclusion does this logic allow you to form?
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:17 PM   #1518
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It´s interesting that Wil is the only person in this thread, who clearly sees, that embracing the victimhood only leads to negative outcomes.

His rejection of victimhood and making the best out of the current state is probably also the reason why he is so successful in terms of career and having a family in spite of being part of a minority.

Seriously, how warped is the worldview of some guys here?
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White liberals are complicit in black disenfranchisement post-Reconstruction, in fact directly so. Going along to get along is exactly what got us here.

The Compromise of 1877
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h396.html
Thanks for this. Balls have been dropped historically.
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So are you saying my voice is invalid because of the color of my skin?
This is especially hilarious because Wil formed an entire worldview of the gay male community based on two friends he had a decade ago and was 100% confident despite mountains of evidence against him, but you can't have educated opinions on African Americans because....
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:23 PM   #1521
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While this is an unsourced claim, let's roll with it - what conclusion does this logic allow you to form?
I'm not sure if I exactly understand what you want here. If my response is to the wrong question, let me know and I'll answer again.

My conclusion is that me being a minority in this country is just part of my experience here. I have to accept certain things and overcome them. I will always be treated by some as an outsider. I will always face racism, at least a little bit. I will always be asked "where are you from"?

I have to get over it and live my life. I can't let it consume me and fill me with hate. I can't blame white people for a job I don't get or a cop pulling me over for a BS reason.

Imagine you were me, and all you thought about was racism and how awful white people are all the time. They will discriminate against you regardless and you'll NEVER be treated as equal. Imagine how you would feel, and how angry and crappy your life would be. And trust me, I've met other Koreans who feel EXACTLY that way. They are pussies in my book.

I refuse to let that beat me. I'll do what I do regardless of racism. If you're racist, so be it. I'll still smoke you mfers.
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Wil, can you cite anybody that does nothing but think about racism? Just with your SJW boogeyman, you're describing a projection that doesn't exist. Even MLK doesn't fit your projection.

Genuinely, the people in culture I see talk most about race are the most successful. Way more so than you are.
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This is especially hilarious because Wil formed an entire worldview of the gay male community based on two friends he had a decade ago and was 100% confident despite mountains of evidence against him, but you can't have educated opinions on African Americans because....
Yeah but I didn't lie about it like you did.
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Old 02-23-2017, 02:26 PM   #1524
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Wil, can you cite anybody that does nothing but think about racism? Just with your SJW boogeyman, you're describing a projection that doesn't exist. Even MLK doesn't fit your projection.
Lol, I've met plenty who absolutely despise white people. They are consumed by it.

Apparently you don't know many people!
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Some of my best friends are white people.
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