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Old 02-23-2017, 05:22 PM   #1601
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Okay so back up for a second. You said that the AME church believes in taking personal responsibility and investing in your own education. I completely agree with that. At the same time, I believe the Ta-Nehisi side of the argument, specifically that public resources are not being evenly distributed and we all need to fight for that in all public spheres.

I am a huge believer in education and I believe we can create a whole new generation of talented coders and robotics engineers and I.T. workers, but those kids need the resources from K-12 and the ability to go through the University levels of education as well if we want to give them the best chance possible to succeed. I'm saying society and the individual play a role. It's a theory called the interpersonal theory of society--I've been influenced partially by Japanese culture where I was lucky enough to live for a while. The late famous Christian author M. Scott Peck was a big advocate of this idea of society. I'm an atheist but I happen to think he made a whole lot of sense on the issue.

The whole thing is, everybody pays taxes. Everybody should get access to a good public education all the way through the university level, and it would benefit our entire society as well--stimulation of the economy through the ability of the working and middle classes to spend more money is a serious thing!
That is quite a big step back from the position of white culture permeating all thought and being the cause of the problems of black society, and I'm sure you can understand why such a point comes off as an abdication of personal responsibility at first glance.

If the above is all you are advocating, then the only real difference is the means of which it is achieved (AME church and black conservatives tend to believe that it must start locally through local communities rather than a broad reaching solution by the state, and that the problems of the local community should be fixed by the local community first), as I had posted previously:

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- Staying in school and getting an education
- Not doing drugs or alcohol
- Not getting pregnant or getting someone pregnant before marriage
- Not committing crimes.
- Community outreach by the black community to the other communities, and especially to the police, which includes reporting crimes and criminals to the police and having community leaders meet with the police community outreach divisions weekly.
- Removing the Uncle Tom mindset and reaching out to successful black people to mentor other black people on how to succeed. Had many guest speakers from law enforcement, military, business, etc. give their experiences as successful black members of society.


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  • -Universal healthcare
  • -Universal university education
  • -National living minimum wage
  • -New bill of voting rights including an end to Electoral College and gerrymandering, and voter suppression efforts such as those in North Carolina and Georgia
  • -New bill of civil rights
  • -An end to the national mass incarceration policy and the War on Drugs
  • -An end to all felony disenfranchisement immediately
The last two points are why I supported Jim Webb, though his campaign went nowhere.

I don't agree with any of the rest of the points, but again the differences are really regarding the means to achieve the same goal rather than a true ideological difference.
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Old 02-23-2017, 05:41 PM   #1602
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Yes, I know white liberals really love to cite that study. The problem is that it's flawed. The names used in that study may denote class as much as race. There have been other studies trying to just cut it down to race and it wasn't as conclusive. Also, a study in Canada brought back discrimination in Asian last names. I'm on my phone so I can't link but google "resumes black names" and check out the Chicago Tribune article.
I found this study earlier which is from Canada and has similar results (and also shows discrimination in Asian names like you mentioned), is this what you're talking about? Is this study flawed too?

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It was a part of it, absolutely. PC is to the point of idiocy.
Exactly, that's what you believe, you don't get to have it both ways. We can't both be living in post-racial paradise where white people are all "oh black people, I'm so sorry for everything, let us repair all grievances we've wrought upon you" while white people are simultaneously furious enough about white apologetics to elect Trump. Those two things are pretty mutually exclusive with each other!
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Old 02-23-2017, 05:42 PM   #1603
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I'm sure coding and robotics engineering will go over great!

Come on.
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Old 02-23-2017, 05:47 PM   #1604
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Every struggle is always a pipe dream.
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Old 02-23-2017, 05:52 PM   #1605
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So what is the problem with showing your ID documents when leaving a plane?
What exactly is the "scary" part?

I could see some disadvantages if this were some sensitive personal data, but showing your ID, which you have to carry anyway in order to even enter the plane, seems very harmless to me.

What am I missing?
What is supposed to happen during the ****ing flight that you're identity would change? I'm not a constitutional scholar but I'm pretty sure one of those talks about letting people move freely within the borders of the US. There is already too much information being fed to the government about plane travel in the name of safety theater, having the ghestopo checking your papers is ****ing un-American. What are they going to do if you don't have them? Not let you off the plane?
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Old 02-23-2017, 05:59 PM   #1606
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From those pictures it looks like Delta is intentionally disenfranchising black flyers.
Racists jokes are funny.
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Old 02-23-2017, 06:01 PM   #1607
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Jokes are only funny when the left makes them!
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Old 02-23-2017, 06:10 PM   #1608
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What is supposed to happen during the ****ing flight that you're identity would change? I'm not a constitutional scholar but I'm pretty sure one of those talks about letting people move freely within the borders of the US. There is already too much information being fed to the government about plane travel in the name of safety theater, having the ghestopo checking your papers is ****ing un-American. What are they going to do if you don't have them? Not let you off the plane?
So according to the article linked in the tweet, ICE had reason to believe a violent person who had been ordered to leave the country was on board. Might be better if they had a picture and not have everyone show an id. But if your looking to deport violent criminals you need to find them first.

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According to a CBP spokesman, the agency "was contacted by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) yesterday, February 22, 2017, to assist in locating an individual possibly aboard Delta flight 1583 from San Francisco International Airport to JFK. This individual was ordered removed by an immigration judge."
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According to CBP, the person agents sought had been issued an order of removal based on convictions for domestic assault, driving while impaired, and violation of an order of protection."
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Old 02-23-2017, 06:12 PM   #1609
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Jokes are only funny when the left makes them!
You would not say that if you heard Hilary's attempts at racist jokes.
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Old 02-23-2017, 06:29 PM   #1610
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What do irresponsible responses to racism look like?
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Old 02-23-2017, 06:40 PM   #1611
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What do irresponsible responses to racism look like?
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/12/473953...r-cp-time-joke

So do you think Hillary's racist joke was funny?
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Old 02-23-2017, 06:46 PM   #1612
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http://www.npr.org/2016/04/12/473953...r-cp-time-joke

So do you think Hillary's racist joke was funny?
The entire left collectively cringed when Hillary did that. I appreciate you bringing up an example that demonstrates the left's outrage isn't related to whether it's an R or D in front of the person making the joke.
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Old 02-23-2017, 07:10 PM   #1613
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I mean come on dude. It wasnt really funny but should people have been mad about it? Diblasio talked about his black family 24/7 the dude can't make a joke?

I mean, it's not my call but WTF people really got mad at that?
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Old 02-23-2017, 07:18 PM   #1615
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http://www.npr.org/2016/04/12/473953...r-cp-time-joke

So do you think Hillary's racist joke was funny?
Actually, I mostly ignored the joke, seemed trivial.

I prefer to confront racism from a values and principles approach in some instances. Which is why I asked about responsibility and response.

I can use the joke for an example,
Suppose racism is happening now, what value does that joke have in relationship to any racism happening now? If someone said "hey racism is happening now", would you say "but hilary joked"?
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Old 02-23-2017, 07:19 PM   #1616
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White House asked FBI to publicly refute news reports on Trump-Russia connections and FBI refused

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White House officials had sought the help of the bureau and other agencies investigating the Russia matter to say that the reports were wrong and that there had been no contacts, the officials said. The reports of the contacts were first published by The New York Times and CNN on February 14.

The direct communications between the White House and the FBI were unusual because of decade-old restrictions on such contacts. Such a request from the White House is a violation of procedures that limit communications with the FBI on pending investigations.
In b4 angry FAKE NEWS tweets, in b4 "no big deal" posts from baghdad bob
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Old 02-23-2017, 07:20 PM   #1617
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Clearly, it is potentially very profitable to put anyone in prison enslaved as the republicans can make seem criminal.
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Old 02-23-2017, 07:22 PM   #1618
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I mean come on dude. It wasnt really funny but should people have been mad about it? Diblasio talked about his black family 24/7 the dude can't make a joke?

I mean, it's not my call but WTF people really got mad at that?
Do you think elected leaders like de Blasio should speak as freely in their public statements as ordinary citizens?

I don't think people would really care what he does in private, but when he speaks publicly he is not speaking just for himself, but also in his role as Mayor of New York City. Doesn't that mean he should be more careful in what he says as a representative of the city?*

*Generally, not just in this case.
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Old 02-23-2017, 07:26 PM   #1619
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He gave up any expectation of privacy when he ran for public office. Any thing he says that other's can hear is his responsibility.
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Old 02-23-2017, 07:35 PM   #1620
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Lol at calling it cp time. Its nst and anyone who has bought drugs regularly knows that.
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:05 PM   #1621
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White House asked FBI to publicly refute news reports on Trump-Russia connections and FBI refused



In b4 angry FAKE NEWS tweets, in b4 "no big deal" posts from baghdad bob
It is pretty stupid on a number of levels. Maybe even more stupid then Lynch meeting Clinton on the Tarmac.
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:12 PM   #1622
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Do you think elected leaders like de Blasio should speak as freely in their public statements as ordinary citizens?

I don't think people would really care what he does in private, but when he speaks publicly he is not speaking just for himself, but also in his role as Mayor of New York City. Doesn't that mean he should be more careful in what he says as a representative of the city?*

*Generally, not just in this case.
I just think that if a Democrat who has a black family can't make a harmless joke we are taking ourselves too seriously. I dunno.
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:18 PM   #1623
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I hope you tuned in last night for Tucker Porn. Ann Coulter was there discussing Trump.
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:32 PM   #1624
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I just think that if a Democrat who has a black family can't make a harmless joke we are taking ourselves too seriously. I dunno.
Well, obviously he can make that joke. De Blasio wasn't actually harmed by that joke. But that's not the question. I'm just curious if you think that elected officials, by virtue of their office, should be more circumspect in what they say than ordinary citizens.
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:38 PM   #1625
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Well, obviously he can make that joke. De Blasio wasn't actually harmed by that joke. But that's not the question. I'm just curious if you think that elected officials, by virtue of their office, should be more circumspect in what they say than ordinary citizens.
They should be careful, but by no means do I think they can't use humor, I mean, it's part of speech. Just because he's a politician doesn't mean he's a robot.
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