This thread was designed to deal with the fiasco using incomplete information. What are we going to do? Cite all of Bruce's posts individually? The context and setting remains the key, which is is why Bruce's critics mocks and squawk so hard about it. You are part of both the context and setting, being part of the group that was there. Without the accurate setting, The story is mis-shapen.

What i mean by you were there....A key difference in this debate is the people who were there for more than just the disputed posts and the people who arrived later. Who lived the story and who showed up and only got the parts?

The only thing I've ever found from "my side" re-reading those threads is that I seem to underestimate how many people made lengthy, well-written posts in good faith. Would you like me to link or quote some of them?

It takes an impressive amount of bias not to see any faults on either side.

Show me something you believe is a fault. Explain why. Be specific. Maybe I'll agree with you.

Long winded like a science or philosophy lecture.

Challenging ideas means somebody has to present them.

bickering over misperceptions ITT.

Ironical considering how perceptions of someone's character, based soley on words posted on the internets, started this poop show

One post, chez. Pick one damn post and tell us what was wrong with it.

The story has long gone past any shape. When zigzag can pretty much claim his side were perfect it just goes to show how far gone he is (how bent he has become might be a good way of putting it)

Bruce was far from perfect but zigzags view of his critics being perfect is a zigzagian absurdity.

So now you're going to cite a post I made where I said anything like that?

No, of course not. Because you made that up too.

The point was that you can't pick one.

So many posts from so many people and you didn't see anything to criticise about your perfect side. lol - the fair minded zigzag mind at work.

There you go. You found nothing remotely wrong about anything any of them ever said. The only thing you found on rereading was they were even better than you thought. Seriously absurd even by your standards.

Of course I might have misunderstood you. Easily corrected by you pointing out the faults on your side.

So which posts should I have a problem with iyo? Feel free to use the link function. The icon looks like this:

I do appreciate your throwback to the Anarchy thread a year ago where it was my responsibility to do all the work, chez. After I finish undermining my own side of the debate for your benefit, is there anything else you would like me to do?

Still zigzagging.

Which posts from your side does the fair minded zigzag see faults with? Come on you object to the reading of you previous post that you thought they were all perfect so come on be honest (even a little bit).

chez, one of the consequences of you rehashing the BruceZ tantrum every. single. day. is that we all remember the details of what happened pretty clearly. You making bull**** up about a secret apology or Team Circus Music being reasonable or about pvn never being threatened aren't gonna fly. lol, serious, who in **** do you imagine you're fooling with this campaign of obvious lies? Why are you even here?

So we can agree that you're not interested in being fair minded.

That's the only point I was trying to make so we're done if you like.

I have no idea what you would like me to be fair minded about, so idk. Maybe you could post a link to a post you took issue with? I'll offer my opinion.

The best part about this post is how you were promptly called racist for making it.

Where?

Though using Fly as a proxy to do it is pretty cowardly.

Jesus, get it together

Remember how you were telling chez to give it a rest?

Every single thing you listed is in dispute, other than the fact that Tom didn't initially quote the entirety of each Bruce's posts in the first three quotes. What Tom quoted was racist, and adding the rest of the posts did not make them any less racist.

Tom doesn't necessarily revel in being abrasive, and he could tell Bruce was racist based on those posts. The racism was obvious before Bruce's responses. Our arguments were not necessarily horrible nor pop psych. The vast majority of my posts were directed specifically and unambiguously at Bruce's posts, not him personally. Bruce was the one who escalated the situation, not us, and I'm pretty sure this resolution is actually good for 2+2, even if it's not good for you or Bruce personally.