Understand it better doesn't mean pretend it doesn't exist, somehow #teamCockroach thinks it does

However you got to the bit you do cross posted and whatever you thought of it you also know that Bruce believed an important bit was missing and you could easily have added that bit. There was no reason not to.

Being provocative can be ok. You were provocative unintentionally it seems on this occasion - I can accept you were just being careless but you are responsible for your actions just like everybody else is for theirs.

btw I didn't intend to bring this all up so much again. I had no idea zigzag was going to deny the undisputed facts and it took on a life of it's own. We will never agree on the interpretations of what Bruce said.

Lol... Every one except for Bruce according to SMPers.

The benefit of shallow accusations is they are easily discredit whether they are made by a racist or a non-racist. That's the kiddie pool. You guys have wasted months accusing Bruce and his associations to end up no where looking at a self-proclaimed racist making stupid accusations of a different sort. Figure it out, think about it, be the example somebody else might think about. Whatever. I can only choose to point it out.

Oh bull****. You LOVE bringing this crap up. Nothing makes you happier than trying to make tom and Wookie look bad for things that only happened in your own head.

So which facts did I deny? Do you have a link to that post?

Also, if you wouldn't mind, please elaborate on the important bits that got left out. I'd hate to accuse you of being a liar again if you have a clear summation of the facts ready at hand.

What's wrong is comparing people, entire civilizations even to animals is dehumanizing and leads quickly to hate. That is too provocative and emotional a criticism where more rational arguments are required.

This is where praxeological thinking comes in. When anything that is can be asserted as logical can be supported by by the premise logic doesn't need evidence to be accurate, you open the door for all of sorts of clever thinking to justify logical fallacy. Logical fallacy is subjective ergo my subjective logic is valid.

Logical fallacy exists to demonstrate correct logic. As logic operators we all have the potential to learn correct logic. Accurate logic logically exists. That is the evidence for it. By testing logic and identify fallacy through trial and error, we can come to a common logic conclusion that is accurate. Math works as an example of how we can share common logic. Praxeological thinking allows for half-logic, it is a flawed assumption because it allows for inaccurate logic under the assumption it's unprovable. Which is why it goes well with a Ron Paul hand wave gif.

I made the mistake of answering one of your questions in this thread as if it wasn't a zig and a zag.

I'll try not to do it again but you are expert. Far more so than one of the trollies.

So we don't get any evidence this time either? Shocking.

This must be what they call "gimmick account balls."

STFU

Why is this so important to zik zak? He has disclosed he is shocked somebody disagrees with him on the internet. It's not a good sign. Can we cite all of zikzak's posts on the whole and just be done with that apparent vendetta?

It's more likely a gimmick now than before, but who's gimmick is still open to mystery.

The threads are all there. We didn't get as far as the private stuff.

I'd say feel free to ask me questions but I will assume it's the same old zigging and zagging. Try Tom, I don't think he disagrees about the facts, we most likely even agree that we dispute the interpretation of the posts.

This is a terrible spot for that sort of gimmick. One thing definitely learnable from the fiasco is that open discussion of certain topics makes people uncomfortable without warning labels. The suspension of disbelief that someone is putting on a show can be balanced with consideration for the folks who just can't stand the sight of objectionable de-humanizing material portrayed as sincerely held personal or political beliefs.

Where in those threads did you take the time to explain what missing bits were left out and why they were important? You obviously remember that better than I do, because I don't remember it at all. I DO remember you and Foldn and maybe masque repeatedly asserting there was important context that we were missing, but I can't seem to recall any of that context ever being explained. Just alleged to exist. Somewhere.

There were thousands of posts in a dozen different threads across 4 different forums. Help me out. Refresh my memory. Throw me a link. I am eager to read (or re-read?) your take on those bits which were so critical that nobody seems to recall anybody ever being specific as to what they were or why they mattered.

It's like we get to watch in real time as Wil realizes he's backing the wrong horse.

I'm more alarmed at wil's inability to use the search function when his post already contains the necessary keywords.

Shocked, alarmed, but amazed? Are we supposed to take zik zak seriously like he is solving problems in the community or is it really just a entitled dislike of chez law for not being much of any of the bad things anyone has slurred towards him. Chez is like this reminder of being mistaken about calling people racist and pretending it's not as serious as you take it. Same with liar. Liar is just a replacement term for racist. Still mad after all these months. I cite you in this thread. Calm down and deal with your dislikes. At least take racism and other social prejudice off of the wheel of trolling accusations and get a little more serious. And no, hyperbole doesn't count as serious when it's played out like yesterday.

start from the beginning, that's where the initial cross post and the response was. Don't make stuff up and you'll be fine.

Jesus Christ I thought this was finally over, but nope, guess we had to once again go through the whole recap again.

Lol chez, **** off at ever trying to say this containment thread is for anyone but you.

Duker, elite job

The needless arguing can't be over until everyone stops arguing.

Without it PU would be a ghost town.

Are we really supposed to take MrWookie's demands for apology seriously? That's something maybe worth arguing about. Why does mr wookie get to make demands for an apology based on his opinion which can be demonstrated as incomplete. Why would anyone agree to a bunch of accusations like that which totally exclude their own point of view and intentions? Is dropping demands an option? Seems like a better choice towards ending the conflict.

Using the team based approach, can we agree that team SMP has no beef with Tom? Calling out **** that looks bad is normal even if it can have unforeseen consequences. Chez seems to understand Tom's intentions. Tom can go back to Tom stuff and not have to worry about accusations about him being argued about. All the bleeding heart stuff that entities with actual bleeding hearts do.

What do we do with the hapless racist who doesn't wanna be? Make him apologize to mr wookie?