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04-10-2015 , 03:03 PM

#1951

LetsGambool

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shorn7

I guess our definitions of engagement are different as well. In my opinion, engagement does not simply mean asking question after question until a response is given where someone can come in and say "See, told you that you were a racist!". Engagement also means that both parties can and maybe are willing to admit that they could be wrong about something.

But again, I guess we agree to disagree which is fine.

You theorized both the Ferguson police and citizens sides needed to "compromise"

Posters asked you repeatedly for an example of what in the history of the Ferguson community might have happened that would make the citizen "side" need to compromise (and we also asked what form the compromise might take) in the face of a racist and oppressive police department.

You didnt give any, so I concluded your thoughts on the matter were bull****

That is engaging. There is no right to not have your ideas thought of as bull**** if they are unsupported bull****.

04-10-2015 , 03:04 PM

#1952

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

I am asking you how I should post so I can achieve what you want me to

You shouldn't post to achieve what I want.

I'd me interested in understanding: "you're still deliberately using language in a way that fails to communicate meaning and frequently causes a problem. Whether you do it because you think that helps deal with racism isn't so clear."

but you don't have to respond if you don't want to.

04-10-2015 , 03:06 PM

#1953

LetsGambool

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Wookie uses language in a very clear way that communicates meaning to all but those who are determined not to understand it.

04-10-2015 , 03:08 PM

#1954

MrWookie

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I'm not sure if it helps with racism, but it does help with people babbling about racist bull**** on this message board. What do you think is the superior approach?

04-10-2015 , 03:10 PM

#1955

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shorn7

I do not know what you think should be done when someone posts something racist. How can I elicit your opinion without asking you questions?

04-10-2015 , 03:11 PM

#1956

zikzak

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FoldnDark

Other than the fact you are being insincere, we don't have time to defend every poster who has been falsely accused of being racist. We're instead asking for the childish behavior of name calling to stop, so that there can be a place to have more adult discussion. It's difficult when the moderator of the forum where it should stop won't admit it is a personal attack, even though the only people who should agree with that post on stromfront.

I am not being insincere, I want to see how you guys judge that particular incident. Although I am obviously not asking you to mount a serious defense on my part, because that would be inconsistent with my stance on usage of the R word.

What I do want to know is which of these two things happened when the word was directed at me. Was it a vicious, unjustified slur that ended discussion and tarnished my character irredeemably, or was I accurately identified as a cross burning slave raper? Your stated positions for the past 8 months would seem to leave those the only two options.

04-10-2015 , 03:16 PM

#1957

shorn7

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LetsGambool

Well you seem to be a resident expert on bull**** so who am I to argue.

04-10-2015 , 03:18 PM

#1958

shorn7

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

I do not know what you think should be done when someone posts something racist. How can I elicit your opinion without asking you questions?

Are you honestly now trying to solicit my opinion? And if so, what do you intend to do with that knowledge?

04-10-2015 , 03:19 PM

#1959

metaname2

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FoldnDark

As far as I can tell, the only people who don't think being called racist is an insult are you and the guys over at Stromfront.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoldnDark

Out of curiosity have you actually visited Stormfront, or are you just just taking a stab at what people say over there? Because, lemme tell you, you might be surprised at how similar some of the rhetoric at hate sites is to some of the posts you read in this forum (and I'm not talking about MrWookie's).

For example, Google "why do black kids walk in the street" and see what kind of results you get, and what colorful explanations are given.

04-10-2015 , 03:30 PM

#1960

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shorn7

Are you honestly now trying to solicit my opinion? And if so, what do you intend to do with that knowledge?

Minimally, make the whining go away. Maybe we can find some common ground if someone, anyone, on the side that doesn't like things getting called racist can enunciate a coherent point and some specifics of what could be changed for the better.

04-10-2015 , 03:41 PM

#1961

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

I'm not sure if it helps with racism, but it does help with people babbling about racist bull**** on this message board. What do you think is the superior approach?

Are you saying that it's all about stopping racist bull**** on the forum? It's not about genuine engagement? At least that makes sense.

04-10-2015 , 03:54 PM

#1962

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Are you saying that it's all about stopping racist bull**** on the forum? It's not about genuine engagement? At least that makes sense.

It's at least about not letting racist bull**** get posted uncontested. Whether there is genuine engagement usually depends on whether the racist wants to reevaluate his beliefs or cry and leave.

04-10-2015 , 04:07 PM

#1963

LetsGambool

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shorn7

Well you seem to be a resident expert on bull**** so who am I to argue.

Well, you could have chosen to give elaboration or support for your idea instead. You chose to instead just repeat the platitude of "well, both sides must be at fault".

You can, of course, choose to take your ball and go home, but its a blatant lie that you weren't engaged honestly.

04-10-2015 , 04:10 PM

#1964

duffee

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

Just tell people they can’t call people racists. Whining go away. If things start getting out of hand, repeal the directive.

04-10-2015 , 04:17 PM

#1965

shorn7

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LetsGambool

The bolded makes me laugh, but OK. Not taking my ball and going home, but will likely not "engage" as you like to call it as much as before.

04-10-2015 , 04:23 PM

#1966

BrianTheMick2

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DrChesspain

Can someone identify when racists became as fragile as hot-house flowers?

That has always been the case.

04-10-2015 , 04:39 PM

#1967

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

It's at least about not letting racist bull**** get posted uncontested. Whether there is genuine engagement usually depends on whether the racist wants to reevaluate his beliefs or cry and leave.

Contesting things you find racist is a given. The method is being discussed.

One sided judgement is not engagement

Last edited by chezlaw; 04-10-2015 at 04:53 PM.

04-10-2015 , 05:03 PM

#1968

FoldnDark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zikzak

I'm sure you handled it well. Everyone should have the capability to brush off insults and continue posting. That's not the point. The point is you shouldn't have to. The insult was unnecessary to the argument, and the only thing attacking you can accomplish that attacking your post cannot is to divert the conversation from the argument itself to you personally.

How would the forum look if everyone who thought a post was stupid responded by calling the OP an idiot? That would just make the forum even worse than it already is, and it would not be allowed.

04-10-2015 , 05:04 PM

#1969

LetsGambool

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shorn7

The bolded makes me laugh, but OK. Not taking my ball and going home, but will likely not "engage" as you like to call it as much as before.

Im sorry that your argument wasn't more convincing. Perhaps you should think about that.

04-10-2015 , 05:04 PM

#1970

LetsGambool

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Quote:

Originally Posted by duffee

Just tell people they can’t call people racists. Whining go away. If things start getting out of hand, repeal the directive.

Also, if you post something racist, you get temp banned. Or, for example, link to a racist hate site.

04-10-2015 , 05:12 PM

#1971

+rep_lol

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Contesting things you find racist is a given. The method is being discussed.

One sided judgement is not engagement

the reason it's one sided is because everybody seems to agree about it, apart from you and your crew of 2 or 3 halfwits

04-10-2015 , 05:16 PM

#1972

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by duffee

Just tell people they can’t call people racists. Whining go away. If things start getting out of hand, repeal the directive.

No deal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chezlaw

Contesting things you find racist is a given. The method is being discussed.

One sided judgement is not engagement

So are you ever going to tell us what engagement looks like and how we can do it better?

04-10-2015 , 05:26 PM

#1973

FoldnDark

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metaname2

Clever as usual. Every joke has an element of truth, and the rest is often bs. In this case, the truth is they talk about current events everywhere, including on hate sites. And of course the racists over there must come up with all sorts of vile reasons to explain the phenomena of young black kids who wear their pants low and like to walk slowly across the street. Another one is they don't take offense to being called racist, because they are proud of it. What's your excuse?

04-10-2015 , 05:30 PM

#1974

chezlaw

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrWookie

So are you ever going to tell us what engagement looks like and how we can do it better?

To my mind it's best done by seeking the points of agreement and where views diverge. That requires a genuine attempt to understand each others meaning and not putting people in small boxes. People also engage better in more sympathetic environments although that's a double edged sword so there need a heavy bias towards PC or something similar.

I also don't think it's best overall if everyone takes the same approach to trying to engage but you're not more than minimally interested in trying to engage are you?