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05-20-2015 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
You didn't seem so bothered when other people had their posts moved to one with a title they thought was misleading
To be clear, I'm not talking about the thread's title that appears on the index page. I have no problem with that being under mod control. But each individual post also has a title, and I consider this to be part of the post's content. It should not be changed without a good reason, and the change should be noted in the post.

Even after posts were extracted into the new thread, their individual titles were not changed. Post #1 in this thread has the new title, but I assume this is because it has to match the overall thread title. But post #2 (yours) and almost all of the next 400 posts in the thread have retained their original title ("Re: The Tragic Death of Mike Brown: No Indictment, No Peace").

So your posts may have been moved without your permission into a thread whose title you objected to, but the post content was not changed. To the extent that this process has transparency and accountability, I'm perfectly fine with it.

That's completely different from retroactively modifying post titles throughout the entire thread with no notice. Post #4 somehow escaped the purge and retains its original title "Air Grievances about BruceZ Getting Called Racist ITT: New Posts Arriving All the Time!"
05-20-2015 , 12:46 PM
I do appreciate spank unintentionally saying that Bruce is a racist.

After all, fiasco is to fiasco as Bruce is to Racist
05-20-2015 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by metaname2
Here's the thing though, chezlaw, I know how to read. The previous title of the thread did not imply that "everything is to do with Bruce." Quite the contrary! The thread implied that those things to do with Bruce should be limited to this thread
Except posts were moved here and made to look like they were about Bruce which was a judgement call from someone who may not be totally unbiased in these matters,

Given that a more neutral title would have been better. It still would be.
05-20-2015 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDuker
... each individual post also has a title, and I consider this to be part of the post's content. It should not be changed without a good reason...
To be fair to Teh Jabber-Wookie, I'm going to guess that this is an "feature" of the forum software... and he didn't manually or intentionally change any of the individual post titles except the first. In fact, I'm going to also guess that the only way to change the indexed title, without changing any but the first post's individual title, would be to manually go through the entire thread and change back any individual post titles that 'flipped' during that indexed name change... which would hardly be a reasonable task to ask any mod to do.

Last edited by Shame Trolly !!!1!; 05-20-2015 at 12:59 PM. Reason: Notice how you can explicitly 'lock' the title, and add an icon, above
05-20-2015 , 12:52 PM
Yeah chez, we know, you want to be able to make proxy posts about Bruce without being called out on it, otherwise its hundreds of posts of whining and tone policing. ****s getting old man, its been nine months of this from you.
05-20-2015 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Except posts were moved here and made to look like they were about Bruce which was a judgement call from someone who may not be totally unbiased in these matters,

Given that a more neutral title would have been better. It still would be.
How about "#TeamCockroach whines about their racist mentor getting demodded, and posters much smarter than they are laugh at them for being completely detached from reality"?

It's accurate, it's pretty neutral, fits, right?

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To be fair to Teh Jabber-Wookie, I'm going to guess that this is an "feature" of the forum software... and he didn't manually or intentionally change any of the individual post titles
This is correct
05-20-2015 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDuker
To be clear, I'm not talking about the thread's title that appears on the index page. I have no problem with that being under mod control. But each individual post also has a title, and I consider this to be part of the post's content. It should not be changed without a good reason, and the change should be noted in the post.

Even after posts were extracted into the new thread, their individual titles were not changed. Post #1 in this thread has the new title, but I assume this is because it has to match the overall thread title. But post #2 (yours) and almost all of the next 400 posts in the thread have retained their original title ("Re: The Tragic Death of Mike Brown: No Indictment, No Peace").

So your posts may have been moved without your permission into a thread whose title you objected to, but the post content was not changed. To the extent that this process has transparency and accountability, I'm perfectly fine with it.
Ok I've no objection to the original post titles remaining. Sounds reasonable, not sure of the process did spank just tick a box or was this some serious effort.

Still think the thread should always have had a more neutral title as I don't check the post titles on a regular basis and I assume most don't notice a lot of the time either.
05-20-2015 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
It's accurate, it's pretty neutral, fits, right?
You posting your nonsense is fine because we see who it's from and there's no association with anyone else.
05-20-2015 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Except posts were moved here and made to look like they were about Bruce which was a judgement call from someone who may not be totally unbiased in these matters,

Given that a more neutral title would have been better. It still would be.

If you think that some of the posts were extracted inappropriately, or that subsequent conversation should have been extracted, that is different. What did Wookie say when you pm'ed him?

The bigger point that you seem to be making - that your participation in this thread is broadly about Mike Brown - is pretty audacious. You smp guys really are innovative thinkers.
05-20-2015 , 12:59 PM
Looks like we need a new thread to discuss the BruceZ matter, since one no longer exists. Who's gonna make it? Shame Trolly?
05-20-2015 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by metaname2
If you think that some of the posts were extracted inappropriately, or that subsequent conversation should have been extracted, that is different. What did Wookie say when you pm'ed him?
Wookie bless his reasonable heart actually said he thinks everything from some of us is about Bruce. He even made that cognitively biased claim about me posting in exactly 2 threads that must have made even him wonder.

I'm mobile so not going to search for it but all easy to find I'm sure.
05-20-2015 , 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDuker
To be clear, I'm not talking about the thread's title that appears on the index page. I have no problem with that being under mod control. But each individual post also has a title, and I consider this to be part of the post's content. It should not be changed without a good reason, and the change should be noted in the post.

Even after posts were extracted into the new thread, their individual titles were not changed. Post #1 in this thread has the new title, but I assume this is because it has to match the overall thread title. But post #2 (yours) and almost all of the next 400 posts in the thread have retained their original title ("Re: The Tragic Death of Mike Brown: No Indictment, No Peace").

So your posts may have been moved without your permission into a thread whose title you objected to, but the post content was not changed. To the extent that this process has transparency and accountability, I'm perfectly fine with it.

That's completely different from retroactively modifying post titles throughout the entire thread with no notice. Post #4 somehow escaped the purge and retains its original title "Air Grievances about BruceZ Getting Called Racist ITT: New Posts Arriving All the Time!"
I think actually most of the posts have their original titles but post 4 had its title changed by the forum software upon being moved. Spank did not edit any post titles in here except the OP.
05-20-2015 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
Looks like we need a new thread to discuss the BruceZ matter, since one no longer exists. Who's gonna make it? Shame Trolly?
I could enjoy another laugh at zigzag blaming me for that.

You're covered by his zigzagging ignore script.
05-20-2015 , 01:09 PM
There should be a BruceZ thread, considering how big of a dramabomb his meltdown was.
05-20-2015 , 01:09 PM
Most of those words kinda make sense.
05-20-2015 , 01:10 PM
The other day I was thinking to myself, man, it's a shame there are no threads about BruceZ on 2+2.
05-20-2015 , 01:11 PM
I feel aggrieved by his tantrums. I mean, there's plenty of ****ty white people out there and he didn't stereotype a single one of us.

What a dick.
05-20-2015 , 01:11 PM
In Spanks defence, his posting has gotten a lot better now that he's been modded. And at least 2 of the complaints about him weren't his fault and he handled it very well.

Maybe we should have modded Spank awhile ago. Might even be worth modding Chez too.
05-20-2015 , 01:12 PM
Nah, he compared you to flies.
05-20-2015 , 01:14 PM
Did he?

Whew!
05-20-2015 , 01:15 PM
Exactly what happened?
05-20-2015 , 01:16 PM
I think we should do a pool on total number of posts in BruceZ related threads. It'll be like a really sad "Guess the number of coins in the jar" game.
05-20-2015 , 01:16 PM
It's been so long, I'm not sure anyone knows at this point.
05-20-2015 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
To be fair to Teh Jabber-Wookie, I'm going to guess that this is an "feature" of the forum software... and he didn't manually or intentionally change any of the individual post titles except the first. In fact, I'm going to also guess that the only way to change the indexed title, without changing any but the first post's individual title, would be to manually go through the entire thread and change back any individual post titles that 'flipped' during that indexed name change... which would hardly be a reasonable task to ask any mod to do.
I agree it may have been an unintentional side-effect. And I don't know how the forum software works. But I get the feeling this was done somewhat gratuitously and without much thought.

Also, when I look at a random old page of the "who are the bad posters" thread, all I see are posts titled "Other than Gamblor..." so it's not universally true that re-titling a thread retroactively re-titles all the posts.
05-20-2015 , 01:26 PM
I always thought it only retitled the first post and then new posts.

      
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