Maybe its just on the Main event that WPT has full control, or possibly only on the 10k televised events.

That seems to be the case everywhere I think. Derby dealers, do the same thing. I won a pot no flop and got the whole thing one time and a dollar taken the next, and I think the dealers that don't take a drop are usually the better ones, who keep the game going quick and efficient. But in all honesty the rooms are going to take when and if they can.... Because for the most part its only us that are going to really care for about the dollar.... The average player probably does care or realize.

Derby requires $300 in the pot to run twice though

I'm just getting here. Gonna grab some food and then hit the poker room. I'll be trying to get a 1/2/5 PLO game going, come out as support!

Let me know how many people are on that PLO list and I might drop on by.

I signed up while getting a comp voucher, we had four including myself. It'll probably go.

I just got back and the woman behind me who said she was signing up didn't, there're only three of us. I remain optimistic.

The WPT event will have a few re-entrys, 12,000 units & 30m blinds; a deep stack, 25,000 units & 40m; turbo deepstack 10m blinds, lo8, 6-handed holdem, main event is 30,000 & 40m, 350 player max. The structure progresses a bit slower than THR's standard, e.g. 25-50, 50-100, 75-150, 100-200, 150-300, 200-400, 250-500, 300-600, 400-800, 500-1000, 600-1200, etc... though I believe there's an ante between 25 & 100 for most of these levels.

Still unusual the wpt site nor THR has any reference to the tourney, but maybe they're ironing out details? So, as usual, the info here might change.

After checking out Hard Rock Hollywood's promos, I think I'm going to move. 180 hours in a month as you get $750 in gift cards, two freeroll entries plus the opportunity to hit high hands that pay well.

You guys need to catch up.

Thanks sf for the info...based on what you have heard this sounds encouraging from a structure standpoint.

Hey ducks, it is interesting that there is such a large disparity between the rooms...HR Tampa really needs to do something about the promos, this month has seen a decline in the #s of promo chasing players which is bad for the rest of us.

I really like the 180 hr/month promo at HR Hollywood which would be geared toward grinders. I know some people did not like the weekly promo that HR Tampa did the past few months and I agree that some of the old nits just sat there trying to stretch their buy ins, but it also seemed to attract a lot of "gamboolers" that play at other rooms to the HR. It seems that there could be a happy medium of rewarding grinders for loyalty and hours spent at HR while also getting some type of promotion to the casual/rec player promo chasing crowd.

One idea might be a rolling reward system based on hours spent in the room each month that increases in value as time progresses, similar to Full Tilt Poker's Iron Man and/or Black Card promotions. In other words, you have to hit a certain amount of hours each month to keep status but if you do there is a nice reward that increases incrementally as time progresses and you hit the hourly requirement each month. If a player can't grind enough hours each month like that then there is still a weekly component that rewards hours for a week. Those promos were "sticky" and kept grinders on the sites while also rewarding more casual players by giving them something for lower levels of play.

I do think that HR Tampa miscalculated as October has been dead on Fridays and Saturdays (versus times when the room was packed on these days) due to this month's promotion being a total joke. Heck, Mondays are now the best day to play! I want to play when the promo chasers are there, but they haven't been out en masse this month like they were in the past few months, we need to get them back...

Keep in mind that Hollywood HR pulls $2 jackpot and Tampa only $1. And that Hollywood has no Big bad beat like Tampa does worth $190k+.

Ron, you really think the BBJ is enticing enough when HHR has the high hands, freerolls and splash pots? Id rather the money more circulated that way then praying that aces and kings move in on each other and the board runs perfect. Tbh, if the one dollar reduction the the drop was worth it, everyone would play there.

I'm in agreement with Andy on the BBJ, could do without. I'd much rather the money circulated and from what I've heard, most of the regs feel the same way. I'm not a believer that the BBJ attracts as many players as THR thinks that it does, as evidence the other local rooms are packed on the days when they have the better promos such as high hands, etc. I still also believe that there should be a better reward system for loyal grinders, are these not the players who pay to keep the room going?

THR management either doesn't care or has no solid plan to reward loyal players and attract greater numbers of casual players. The lack of a well thought out plan is a sure sign that they think that they have it made and don't need to "improve". As poker continues to get bigger in FL and competition eventually increases HRT won't have a choice, but by that time they may have lost a lot more of their best customers.

Hopefully the new resort style casinos are coming to Tampa as well as S. Florida:

http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/20...ver-ar-270357/

Here's the link to Hollywood HR's November promos that Ducks was referring to:

http://www.seminolehardrockhollywood...Promotions.pdf

Notice the gift card giveaway, 80 hrs for the month gets $250 in gift cards and 120 hrs gets $500 while 160 hrs gets both gift cards for a total of $750. This is the type of thing that can still get the casual players a reward for less hours but gives the grinders a bigger reward at the 160 hr level. This doesn't even count the freeroll for hrs. played. I give Mr. Mason and the team at HHR credit for creativity. If the rumors are true and THR's November promo is a WPT super sat. ticket for 120 hrs then this is a total joke! To be fair and as ParisRon points out, there is a bigger rake and no BBJ so HHR has more flexibility for promos. However this comparison, while not perfect apples to apples, shows that management at the other property is at least trying to listen and reward players and is therefore more player friendly.

Jack of Rock where are you? Why can't management at THR be this organized and have a plan that appeals to players. Have you guys ever even asked players for ideas in some formal way or had a meeting with players to discuss ideas? I realize that you guys are milking it for now but what happens when competition increases?

Also HHR does No Flop, No Drop, and $100-$300 on 1/2nl games.

Jack of rock (if you are really a HR rep - 4 days since last post)please make both of these changes.

Also, I think it would be very beneficial to read and respond to this thread daily.

Thanks

Not true on the no flop-no drop. They're still trying to get that fixed in the HHR thread.

Also, I think the huge bad beat jackpot is inferior to several smaller jackpots like high hands and such for a few reasons. First of all, people enjoy instant gratification. They know that the BBJ is super hard to hit but that getting a high hand is way more likely. As anyone who plays in the tracks around the area can tell you, high hand promos bring in players. Second, when the BBJ is hit, the people are almost always gonna take the majority of that money and put it in the bank. It's gone from the poker economy. I understand that person will always come back and play but it will take an insanely long time for that money to come back from two people. Smaller jackpots getting hit more frequently, like high hands, will give folks smaller amounts of money that they can (and should be mandated to) keep on the table and play with. This gives everyone a shot at a bit of that money.

Hi Ron, as always you make good points. I know from reading past posts that you are a proponent of THR getting rid of 1/3 NLHE and having just 1/2 with a min. $100 max $300 buy in and adding 1/1. I agree 100%.

At any given time there are only a 2 or 3 1/3 tables (sometimes just 1 table) while there are a minimum of 7 or 8 1/2 tables and 5+ 2/5 tables. The room would be much better balanced if the 1/2 game was a deeper buy in and then they could spread a 1/1 with a $20 min. and $100 max buy in, this would please all the old nits and the guys who want to buy in really short, plus they could sit around all day with $50 trying to luckbox the BBJ! A deeper 1/2 (heck I'd even take 100 BB buy in so $200 max $100 min) would be a welcome addition. The 1/3 game as it currently stands is mostly a nitfest (there are some exceptions at times but the fact that there are only 2 or 3 tables running at a time shows that there is just not much of a player pool).

Again, Jack of Rock where are you? Does any input from players matter to you guys? Isn't there a way to balance the business aspect with the players wants and needs and ultimately find a better balance for all? If I owned a business and didn't ever listen to my customers and just kept putting out the same product because I didn't think I needed to improve would my business decline? Oh wait, the major record labels already answered this...

As cmitch points out, Where are you, you can't check this thread daily and provide some input from THR poker room management? And why is it a secret who you are? You guys have an opportunity to be the premier poker room in Florida (and with being the premier room should translate into the most long-term profitable room) but are not even close and seem to have no plan or care in the world to improve.

This X10

HHR has No Flop, No Drop, The only thing they take is $1 for jackpot and $0 rake if there is no flop, even if its $100 pot.

The people in the other thread are complaining about the $1 jackpot taken when there is no flop, even tho they are not raking 10% when there is no flop. They don't know how good they already have it.

Jack of Rock, why not take the current BBJ and make a November promo that if no one hits it in October then you'll give away a certain amount of cash every day in November and/or have weekly free rolls for regs that pay out guaranteed money?

This will juice the room with gamboolers galore!

Wishful thinking I know...

someone told me the Nov. promo is 80 hours and you get a 250.00 satty ticket to wpt coming in December. seriously? this is 4x worse than Sept promos...

You're right on multiple accounts. I misread the thread and they don't know how good they have it. Lol

Parisonron posted that, and ya, the "promo" is a joke. If you play that much poker you'd be much better off rotating rooms and playing where they have the best promos each day. I guess if you're real sick and needed the money you could get the 20hrs and still hit the other rooms for peak promos, but still, weeeeeeek promo.