You have to show a hand to win the pot *at showdown*, but not if your opponent folds to your bet.

I'm saying imagine I bet on the flop, you throw your hand away, and I then throw my hand back to the dealer. You can think of millions of times where the winning player's hand physically hits the muck before the losing player's hand. All the losing player would have to do is grab his hand back... and then he would be the only one with cards left, hence winning the hand.

I don't think its that crazy, especially if your just doing it on tournament breaks or during cash games when you would normally want to take a break anyway (like going to the bathroom and plan on missing a full orbit anyway).

I frequently get a bottle of water from the waitress at the begging of my session for $1 tip but then fill up the bottle from the water fountain from then on.

Ya, I may look like a nit trying to save $2 a day. But that adds up to hundreds at the end of the year. If you don't want an extra $100 bucks at the end of the year that's your choice. Id rather look like a cheap skate and save the $$.

If your a casual player then do whatever makes you happy. If your a pro and you are there to make $$, throwing $$ away on drinks you could easily get for free is just as bad as posting in the middle of an orbit when you could easily just save the $$ by waiting.

shocked at this ruling

I get what you are saying although I don't think it would ever be an issue. People at the table would obviously complain and the floor can rule the pot to the rightful owner of the pot. And even if by some weird chance you get away with it once, there is no way you keep getting away with it and will just end up getting banned from playing at the casino.

Did Player B surrender his chips to Player A? Or did the floor take it or what? Pretty sure the floor can't touch his chips.

So Player B basically said OK, I will give you back the pot, and rectified the situation. And then got banned for something else? He def sounds like a scum bag though for trying to pull that off in the first place.

I don't think your example of water is really the same thing since the fountain is right there and it also lacks the issue of whether it is stealing from panera or not. I don't know panera's rules on coffee so I'm not gonna bother commenting on it but if everyone takes advantage of their refills in a way they aren't supposed to then eventually panera will likely no longer give free refills on their coffee. I was mainly thinking in terms of the fact that it is $1 per coffee and panera is probably 10-15 mins wasted going back and forth so if they are doing it just to save the $1 then it doesn't make sense because you are missing hands. The taste of the coffee could be the reason here but the way the op stated it was that the friend just does it to save $1/cup, not because he hates the poker room coffee. I still don't think it is a huge deal either way though, if the person wants to make the walk and if panera doesn't care then to each his own imo.

Player B didn't exactly do so willingly. The state police were actually involved. And it was pretty pathetic watching him justify himself while the floor was making the ruling.

So this is what was going on the other night. I was playing 1-2 in the cave and saw the troopers escorting a guy holding a rack of greens, although we couldn't figure out what was happening. We all thought someone was caught literally trying to steal another player's chip stack.

uhhh you mean player A?

Yeah, my fault. Got it backwards

what does the rule book state? im bad with these things

beating a dead horse, but what charge would Player A be arrested for if he didn't pay back the money since the casino floor initially made a bad ruling? if he stole someone's chips off the table that'd be understandable that police got involved. this is different though so i'm curious what grounds the police have

Player A trying to pull back his cards is bogus angle-shooting.

Player B needs to learn from this - wait for the pot to be pushed before showing anything less than the nuts.

I had a pic of the "reg" when this was going down but It got buried in a wall of text messages. I am trying to get another one when that person delivers it (ahem you know who you are). I have played with the player in question. Pm me if u want to know who this piece of **** is.

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Foxwoods joins the online poker community

Is there a place that shows UFC pay per view fights at Foxwoods? Looking for somewhere that will show UFC 159 at Foxwoods this saturday. I assume the sportsbook will have it, but do any bars show it?

It's not a sportsbook, it's a racebook. And it won't be shown anywhere on property.

Thanks. Forgot it was just a racebook.

Happened at Foxwoods 2/5 at around 5am Wednesday.

Button is in the 2 seat.

The 5 and 7 seats both limp.

The action gets to the 9 seat, but before the 9 seat can act (without any delay) the 10 seat limps in for five.

The dealer stops the action to make sure it doesn't move over to the 1 seat while pointing out the 9 seat still has action.

The 10 seat pulls back his limp (allowed by dealer.)

The 9 seat limps.

The 10 seat now raises to 35.

The 9 seat asks if that is allowed - to call out of position but then be allowed to change his action to a raise when the action gets to him.

The dealer says it's fine and multiple players say that it's allowed.

The 9 seat wants the floor.

The floor allows the raise to stand.

The entire table then folds behind the raise and the 10 seat takes down the $22 that was in the pot (not counting his original limp) prior to his raise.

Thoughts/insights?

yeah don't see a problem? 9 seat should have just opened or lrr here tho obv

The Scorpion bar might have the fight.

Any action out of turn is binding only if the preceding action doesn't change. So basically seat 10 is only stuck with calling if seat 9 folds, otherwise seat 10 can choose to raise (or fold, I guess) since the action has changed.

This is wrong. He can only change his action if there is a raise

Action didn't change, it was still $5 to call. Therefore seat 10 should only be allowed to call

I understand the TDA rule is that only seat 9 raising would count as action changed, but the last 3 or 4 times I observed this type of situation at Foxwoods they always ruled that unless preceding player folds, out of turn guy is not binded to his action. Some might consider that total BS, but that's Foxwoods floors for you.