Question is, do you have to announce a raise, either verbally or hand gesture before cutting out a raise? And at that point if you want to raise but cut out checks to cover a call, with the intention of at least matching the call for a min. raise, is that a string raise?

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Didn't think to look there. Thanks. And yes my question exactly

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I don't understand one thing if you were going to raise 55 and you have 150 why didn't you just shove? Or just call and then shove on the turn?

With 150 left before that 55 bet making any bet and you were pretty much committed to the pot. If he was a fishy I am sure he would have called you.

If you had 350+ left, different story.

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Yes, if someone is there now and can ask one of the regular floor people, this question, that would be nice....
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I'm not entirely sure of your question, but the key is one movement for the raise.

If you're facing a bet of $20, you can come forward with a stack of red in your hand and leave out $20 for a call. Or you can leave up to the whole stack for a raise.

If you decide you want to raise to more than what you have in your hand, you can't go back for more unless you say "raise," put out the $20 and then go back.

If you're facing a bet of $75, you can say "raise" and put out the $75, and then you can go back to your stack to put out the raise all at once.

If you put out a call without having said anything, you can't raise.

Until you've come forward with some amount of chips, you can cut them out however you like.

About one year ago, I saw a player at Borgata in a cash game, push a call toward the betting line and, when the other player speed-rolled the better hand, the player stopped pushing his checks about 1/4" from the betting line. The table was mixed as to whether the player was forced to call.

A floor person ruled that the call had not yet made. A floor manager made the same ruling.

Borgata's betting line defines what is an action.

Hopefully, Borgata's management will be allowed to continue to run their games. Borgata is, by far, the most profitable casino in Atlantic City.

A change in their business practice could change the business' profitability.

Ugh...I hate this. Wish the line wasn't there at all.

i get that most of the time a player complains about a ruling, we can usually point out something he did that attributed to his demise. even if it's a technicality or a need to protect yourself despite normal occurrences.

but in this case it seems pokertrench is completely right. both in how chips are handled customarily and by the technicality of the rule.

he put his entire raise out over the line and was called a string bet for setting the chips up in an easy to count manner. not only is this totally normal (and considerate), but the hard rule is any chips over the line in one motion (unless declared verbally prior) is the bet or raise.

the more likely complaint from a player who didn't understand the rule (and was in front of a dealer who was a stickler) would be if he wanted to call, reached over the line with enough chips to raise but only cut out a call, and tried to pull back the rest.

pokertrench got screwed on this play. hope it wasn't a big loss in value.

The ruling should go as this, your motion toward the pot with chips without a verbal statement opens the door for options I myself having been handling a stack for maybe 30 some years and would have a stretch with 30 reds (150). However I know you, and could see you and your monster hands with a big stack,,,,. back to the ruling, your motion as it progresses is the factor, if you stop at 55 to get a reading on your foe then the bet stands at 55 but if your motion is fluid to what you have in your hand across the line then that’s the bet .. One motion to the pot, that’s the rule. Just to give an Edison ruling

That's not going to happen. I am sure some minor changes will take place like I have wondered if maybe they take Fri and Sat comp rooms way but they not going to do away with them entirely. They are business men not fools.

When you take chips past the line you must verbalize a raise. No words is a call every time.

That would be a nightmare if the line wasn't there. In a lot more ways then just worrying about a bet size

i disagree

you bet 20

i take a stack of 100 in red chips slide it over the line and don't say anything

call or raise?

I have 14 green chips in my hand. I start dropping them over the betting line one at a time. In total I drop 10 chips. How much is my bet?

Borg totally sucks now see no reason to ever play there again.

by law of the rule: your bet is all 14 chips

by custom if you don't look like you're angling: most likely dealer says "bet is 250. sir, don't bet like that or all your chips will be in play since they all crossed the line together"

As the rule has been (and as far as we know, still is), this is incorrect.

Slide those 14 chips over the line together, they're a 14-chip bet.

If they all cross the line in your hand and you drop ten and bring the other four back, you've bet 10 chips. E.g., facing a bet of two chips, you can come forward with 20 in your hand and release just the bottom two to call. Crossing the line in the air doesn't put chips in the pot.

If you come forward with 14 in your hand and drop 10 one at a time, I'd say you've left the actual amount of your bet to the floor, and good luck.

Re-read the rule....

this is pretty clear-cut: the bet is anywhere between $25 and three fiddy depending on who gets called to the table and who yells the loudest

This is not correct. Wildly not correct.

and exactly why i put my answer in two parts: "the law of the rule" and "the custom"

if no one thinks you're angling, they'll usually allow you to cut out chips over the line. but i've seen dealers warn players numerous times to verbalize if they're not leaving all the chips in.

the law of the rule is any chips over the line in one motion. doesn't matter if you're "sliding" or "holding".

but if it doesn't look like you're angling, you can usually get some leniency with the type of motion you're describing.

and in the hand we're discussing... the player did the motion you described and was only allowed the first "cut".

Negative.

Raise to $100.

If you would like to make things easy for everyone, especially yourself, you should do as I do:

Whether I am betting or raising, I move one amount of checks across the betting line in one motion.

I am never accused of angle-shooting, and there is never a question about what I am doing.

This has gone either way in all the rooms I've played at (including Borgata). In the scenario you've mentioned with a stack of reds, it's a raise. A single big chip tossed in ($100+) is a call.

no one is questioning a single big chip. i agree that's a call.

the hand in question is specifically dealing with cutting out many chips.