I believe that they will not do this.

The only one who's going to suffer from your protest is YOU, because, most players who feel the need to bitch and moan will never act out on their disappointment/anger because all in all they're still getting a great bargain and they realize that.

Why pay more for a disgusting motel that you have to get in your car to drive to and that has zero amenities?

You should've played poker when AC first opened their rooms when the best deal we could get was a poker rate for about $70 a night. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth just because you feel this sense of entitlement. $15 a night for the Borgata is more than fair; no one is hustling you. They are a business(in case you have forgotten that part) and when you're told that you have to play X amount of hours in order to get that special rate, why are you so bothered by that? Seriously, do you actually think that you should just be able to waltz into the Borgata, not give them any action if you don't feel like it that day, and still get the $15 rate?!

That's hilarious...and I guess that's why they have those flea bag motels----gotta appease to ALL types, I suppose.

That may be the worst post in 2+2 history.

I almost signed up to the temp ban me page after reading that.

I prefer paying the 15/night as I use wifi in the room and will now use the gym every day instead of going once every three days to save money and doing super long workouts. It was hard to justify paying $15 just to use the gym one time when I pay $20 a month for my local gym

If the $15 includes free wifi, then I have no problem paying that and taxes along with the room rate. I don't normally get free rooms but in reality it is a better deal than the CET properties with a much higher resort fee and no free in room wifi.

That seems fine...take a walk, then stick around to play off your buttons before you can do it again.


That seems a bit harsh. You could get up for an hour for dinner, come back and play the next hour without earning comps? I guess it has to be aimed at the guys who'd just adjust their routine to walk-an-hour/fold-an-hour, and I appreciate the management's effort on that, but still it's rough on people who'll occasionally take a dinner break but otherwise come to be at the table.

If I'm there for 12 hours, having a dinner break cut into my hours not only the hour I'm gone but a bit after I get back will mostly just discourage me from going out and spending that money in a restaurant. I don't care about the couple dollars in comps lost, but I don't want to mess with my daily average. (I suppose it's an occasional enough occurrence for me that I really shouldn't worry, but I do get there now and then with only 10 hours until 6am, and I wouldn't want to introduce too many 8- or 9-hour days to the mix.)

you're supposed to go on the dinner list when you want to take a dinner break. when you come back you'll be at the top of the list. sucks when seats are left vacant for an hour. especially when multiple people do it around 6 or 7 pm.

I doubt this is true. It's disgusting enough to clock players out at all, but not clocking you in when you're actually playing? Even the mongrels in charge wouldn't stoop to those levels.

I agree with you Joel - I don't think this is true as I did have a conversation with a dealer last weekend. I can confirm I was told about not being able to give back more than one button when you return to the table - but I believe once you post and are dealt back in a hand - you should be placed back "in" and no longer be clocked out in the "lobby".

I'll be there over the weekend and will report back if no one beat me to it.

Happy new year to all !!!

I wonder how this is going to go over with the old fogies who forced this rule. Obv they'll be pissed as they can't walk for an hour, play 3 hands, walk for an hour, rinse repeat, to get a ton of comp dollars and rooms, but will they be pissed enough to take their business elsewhere?

They will be pissed - but very little for them to do. They cannot get the combinations of free rooms (weekend) anywhere else for similar levels of play and they can't get "black card" access with similar levels of play. They will either sit at the table and play tight poker. Others may make a few less trips and not be as focused on "putting in the hours" to keep their black card and keep their red card and stay in "free ($ 15) rooms".

There aren't too many of those who play 10 minutes - walk an hour - play 10 minutes - walk again --- but even those who play for 10 hours and take a 40 minute dinner break will be a little pissed on loosing the 40 minutes.

The Borgata won't miss these type of players as they are not contributing to the profit of the poker room if they are spending much of their time walking. Other poker players won't miss these players. If they did go elseware (there are not too many of them - but if you somehow get 2 at the same table - it's annoying) it's a gain for all.

Hopefully the handful of violators will change their method and play poker or find another room to play in (or just hang on on the boardwalk on nice days).

Let them "take their business" elsewhere. The room can live without these perpetual walkers.

I do think they have to clock you back in the system if you are playing. Don't you have to be actively logged in for any bad beat or promo considerations? I would think this would complicate that.

My understanding from conversations I had last week is you will not be clocked out for walking in time games, only rake games. But I'm not 100 percent on that. Not sure how the give back the absent button policy will be enforced in time games though.

Perfect... thanks guys!

That would make sense, if you pay time you should be allowed to walk imo. At the same time though, I've never seen a "perpetual walker" that also played well... so forcing them back to the table would be fine with me.

Just back from a couple nights:
Can confirm that the the dealers were reminded to clock out absent players at least once over the PA system.
Can confirm that upon getting back from a cigar break to find 2 absent buttons, they were both returned when I posted my natural BB (timing worked out).
I did not ask to be put back 'active', and did not check to see if I got put into the 'lobby'.

Confirmed that a perpetual OMC walker directed a dealer to issue an absent button to younger player who walked. I exclaimed "WOW", and when asked what it meant I smiled, addressed the OMC by name and just said I was surprised that HE was asking. He smiled back and claimed to have a reason.


Table still had walkers and missing players.
At one point in my afternoon session:
A couple of absent players (with buttons)
A guy at the table with a missed blind button, who declined to take his natural BB, and got up when it came around again
A couple more guys walking, without buttons. They didn't walk too long, but still...
5 handed with a long waitlist. Just a damn shame.


Saw what is likely the most beautiful cocktail waitress last night. New uniform? So pretty, I couldn't think. It's all just a blur now. Table just about stopped play.

Yeah, this is the thing I'm most concerned with regarding the rule change. Short-handed games will become much less frequent during daytime hours, I assume, and short-handed games at these stakes have tremendous value. I suppose the only benefit will be that we won't have to hear OMC's incessant complaints about the walkers, though they'll inevitably find something else to moan about.

Ha, I think I may have been seated in between you two. If that is indeed the case, sorry for staring down at your Borgata card in the beginning of the session (you seemed to notice): I like to do recon on foes who look like they might know what they're doing.

Did you guys hear about the new rule that out of turn action stays in the pot regardless of if the action is changed or not?

This is going to be fun! Going to slow down the game but fun watching the players flip **** at the ruling when floor comes over lol!

I played for a few hours before I left today. Implementation is a bit rocky, not all the dealers and even floors don't know exactly what to do or how to explain it.

- Players in raked games get put in the lobby (look for the blinking light) when they get a missed blind button. Time games are still unlobbied.

- If you've been up, check the Bravo (or have the dealer check) to make sure you're still there if you're in doubt. There was a fair amount of emptying the seat in the process of lobbying/unlobbying.

- Players with absent buttons give one back to each new dealer, and remain in the lobby until they have no absent buttons.

* Last night the dealers were saying you'd give back one button immediately and any additional one new dealer at a time, but that wasn't what they were saying this afternoon.

So if you go to the restroom and your dealer changes while you're gone for five minutes, you're out for half an hour? But if you didn't miss a blind are you still in the lobby?

* There was also some dispute today about whether players who are seated and playing off buttons should be lobbied. Not all of the dealers have had their training yet, so if you want a different answer to your question, wait half an hour.

I'd planned to go back to the office and see if I could get the official rundown for the FAQ, but shortly before I left a guy had gone storming back there to argue about a pot he thought the new rules would have made his, or cost him, or something, and it didn't seem like the best idea to go in with idle questions. I'm going again in a few weeks, and will try then if no one else has first. Hopefully the kinks will have been worked out and the variable answers will have died down.

And yes, out of turn action was staying in the pot. I saw it twice this afternoon, once a mistakenly posted BB (this seems incorrect, IMO, since it's nobody's turn when the blinds go out), once for an out-of-turn call of a raise that didn't all go over the line (the dealer said the $10 that crossed had to stay).

And to make it all more clear, plenty of players are eager to coach the dealers on what they think should be happening (with varying knowledge of same).

Why YES, that was my table.

I didn't notice, or at least I don't remember noticing. Perhaps I thought you were staring down the black chips I used to buy in. I grabbed them after getting on the list, so I could walk around, check out tables and then just sit when called. Seemed easier than carrying around a rack with reds.

Wasted recon (IMHO). Not only don't I not know what I am doing, I'm pretty sure that I don't look like I know what I'm doing

If the player to OMC As left was to be believed, I made a decent fold against him early, before wimping out and checking behind on a card that completes a draw he is never on.

I was 10 minutes later than I told my wife, but had to play that last orbit. Felt a tinge of guilt winning a couple pots and racking up. Table seemed nice enough not to bitch too much about it.

I swear we need some secret symbol, a pin or something to ID 2+2ers, at least to chat away from the table.

Can anyone please explain the difference between a "classic room" and a "club room"? Is there a reason to prefer one over the other? Would it matter if one plans to spend basically all waking hours in the poker room or if one plans to bring the girlfriend along for the trip?

Thank you in advance.

waterclub all the way

I think the rooms at the Borgata are classic.... and the rooms at the water club are club.

I prefer the Water club rooms. Closer to poker room. We valet, always quick at the water club. Check in lines also seem to always be shorter. Wife thinks the rooms are nicer, your gf will probably like them better as well. The shower... ahhhh.

Water club rooms are better for reasons stated above. The only problem is the giant leather pillows. Who uses those?