Players have to pay for advertising one way or another. You understand that casino's aren't interested in having poker rooms that don't pay for their own costs, including marketing and advertising, don't you?

If the casino is using the jackpot funds to pay the costs of promotions and you are right that they shouldn't, what's the point of stopping them? You can get the entire jackpot drop killed, and rake will simply be increased to replace it, the casino will fund jackpots out of the rake, and there will be zero rules on how they get to spend it.

But they'll probably spend it exactly the same way, because clearly they think this is the best way to bring in players.


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There is a set of rules on the wall next to the cashier. Not sure how complete it is.

I've asked rules questions and have been shown the rule book twice even though I didn't ask for it.

SO basically if you grind tomorrow you can win football pool money during the morning, afternoon, and night games tomorrow?

Pali,

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it sounds like you think TV and print ads are being paid for out of promo funds. That's not happening. That is illegal.

Now overlays for tournaments and other stuff like food comps that you deem a questionable use? That's definitely happening. And as far as the house is concerned, tournaments are basically advertising (yes they make a little on them but not much compared to expenses). Food comps? Could be considered a type of advertising too... I guess.

But media advertising out of the promo fund is illegal.

Sunday football promo are the 2 later games. I just had a manager check CAZ's website and the football promos are not on it. They have a by the month printed schedule. While I was at it, just for you ppl, I asked to see the rule book and was told that they will print it on request.

Does the rulebook have their silly opinion that if players are all in on the flop or turn they show down in order from the button instead of the normal rule where the bettor shows first?

You mean that an allin in player would show their hand first because of position relative to the button even though he is not eligible for the current pot?
No
Where did that come from?

That's the rule everywhere I've played, afaik.

edit: @DMW

was at CAZ last night and saw 2/3 and 3/5 spread omaha HI on the board.

wasn't running but it could

Yea I've played it, the 2 3 goes fairly often but haven't ever seen the 3 5 omaha run.

I didn't mean when there is a side pot. I've seen them rule it HU and have the bettor show first.

Announcing the *Howard Beale 2+2 Reward Program*:

If any CAZ reg can prove that I've made a post on 2+2 between the hours of 3p.m. and 10 p.m. Arizona time I will pay you $25. Offer good for 1 year from right now.

Wat? You just did.

'from right now' is to be read as 'after this moment' which has passed, is gone, frozen in place in the past never to disappear as Einstein has shown. All seekers should bear this in mind when attempting to print out a reward coupon.

Well I finished 12th out of 325 in the $225+10 super bounty for a massive payout of... get this... $341! Yay! $106 profit for finishing better than 97% of the field!

Of course I mentioned the ridiculous payouts to the TD, and she smiled and nodded politely. She said they can change the payouts but the software wasn't working correctly or something.

So the payouts were something like this:

1st: $8750
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10th: $731
...
11th-20th: $341
21st-30th: $267

Wtf!?!11!

I'll admit that I made a mistake / "bad" shove considering the payout tables I should have just folded the hand I went out on and attempted to get to the final table. 6 handed with 11bbs I shoved K5s on the button and ran into KK.

Nonetheless, the payout table is something I would expect from paradisepoker.com in 1996.

lol you are the most results oriented person ever. Well maybe 2nd behind Alizona.

Serious question: how much do you think you deserve for not making the final table?

How much were the bounties?

I just think the payouts could be done better. It isn't about what I deserve, it's about what the payouts should be to benefit all players.

It really makes no sense to me to pay 10th $731, 11th $341, and 30th $276.

At least have it be progressive such as 10th $500, 11-15 $350, 16-20 $300, 21-25 $250, 25-30 $200 or something that makes an ounce of sense.

I just expect more in this day and age I guess... man I feel old

they are $100 each, so obviously that factors into each players total payout.

The lack of difference between 30th and 11th is supposed to motivate you to play to win, aka the point of playing poker tournaments. Did you wake up today and say, "Son, I'm gonna go get 11th-30th place in that CAZ deepstack!" or, "Damit boy, I'm gonna win the thing today!"

uh... yeah, thanks for the lesson in what poker tourneys are about. I kinda figured that out 10 years ago.

I mean the payouts might as well be 100% 1st place 0% rest of the field right, because hey, let's play for 1st baby! That's the point of poker tourneys!

Ooooooooooooooooooooooor the payouts could be improved easily to benefit all players.

Incorrect, they dont do it motivate you to win, they do it to motivate you to play. It's done only to pump up the 1st place prize money to help market the tourney.

Thanks for the response. I had no idea why you were upset with the structure without that explanation. I almost never play tournaments. Most of the ones I have played were online or in Atlantic City for small daily tournaments. In those, everyone but the final table got only a pittance and then the final table was where the money was at. So I thought that was fairly normal.

Or to make it more likely a chop happens so the staff doesn't have to stay until the end...

Hahaha. I got 7th Saturday, and even though my final A9 shove was met by a call from the old man with A8 that caught the obligatory 8 on the turn (after the 742 flop convinced me my kicker was playing and I was going to have a top 3 chipstack with 7 left), I won't complain.

11 hours to reach the final table. A guy got his 20th bounty before I busted. TWENTY. They said that was a new record. I ended the day with two measly bounty chips after throwing mine to the old dork who called me with Ace freakin Eight. Dead man obv.