No, just as you don't have any access to anything that would prove your side. I can tell you that it would reduce traffic significantly because i see the increase in traffic when jackpot levels get to a certain point, and what happens to the room when the jackpot is high and it gets hit..Ive seen half the room clear.
You are beating a dead horse trying to get the jackpot/drop eliminated.

Just to be clear, i am in no way authorized to be or care to be a "rep" for CAZ. I had this conversation with a MOD some time ago.
I'll only offer information that is readily available to any player in the room and may on occasion confirm minor procedural questions and such, again, available to anyone that asks. You will never get any type of "inside" or non public information from me.

I will make the suggestion that perhaps a CAZ "Rep" could be assigned here.

Thanks for mentioning it. I know you aren't an official rep, but I think you're a huge asset to this thread and the poker room and would be a great candidate if the room decides to get a 2+2 rep.

I appreciate the kind words.

So for that Tues/Wed @2am promotion, do people really plan their play around something like that and show up in the middle of the night? That's basically the claim, that these promotions help fill the tables... but how can there possibly be more than a handful of players who are willing to play in the middle of the night? And if they're really that "degen", don't you think they'd be there regardless of a promotion or not? IMO your average fish is NOT changing their sleep schedule 180 degrees, amirite?

There's been an increase in the BBJ for overnight play during the week for a limited time for as long as I can remember. Ubin can provide the details. If they took that promo away from the 2 grave yard managers I think they'd have a stroke, lol. I think we'll be seeing this new JP money available for most of the more usual hour players.

Well, if they read it regularly, then they already know what my biggest complaint is.

LET EVERY DAMN DEALER, OR AT THE VERY LEAST, EVERY DAMN FLOOR BE ABLE TO AUTHORIZE THE DROP AT TIME GAMES

There is no reason for them to stack up 3 downs worth of time (almost $200) on the table for everyone to see while the only person authorized to tell the dealers to drop it is on his lunch break.

This happens very regularly during the lunch hour.

How come the dealers are trained properly to drop $6 per hand at every other table, but you can't trust them or the floor to manage dropping $63 once per down?

Worst thing ever.

And if you can't change it, then make the dealers color up the time drop to biggest chips possible, so the $63 drop is only 2 green chips, 1 brown, and 1 yellow. 4 chips looks a lot better than the 13 chips (12 red and 1 yellow) which add up after 3 downs worth of time hasn't been dropped (almost 2 stacks of chips sitting there showing how much they are raping us for).

Rep "sure we'd love to make the rake fairer at the expense of our bottom line. Just as soon as tribal gaming approves tightening the gravy train."

"Limited Time" value added type promos have always a boon for graveyard shift( any thing with a start and end time I.E2 a.m. to 10 a.m.) and would hurt graveyard significantly if taken away.

A number of swing shift players adjust their playing schedule to participate depending on value added and there is an entire contingency of players that play on graveyard only because of the value added.

Under normal conditions ( where the promotion has a start and end time)we see the affect on late Swing since players tend to play longer on swing in anticipation and/or come in earlier/later in order to for Graveyard to "beat the rush" so to speak.
It affected day shift less as they only got the last couple hours of "value" from the promo.

This promotion is different as far as i can tell. The added value to the jackpot only goes away when it is hit, but will be added again the following Tuesday/Wednesday morning.
I anticipate there will be some big jackpots, all shifts will be much busier. It will still be great for graveyard, but will benefit all the other shifts as well.

Seems that this BBJ is a major topic of discussion at the tables this week... Interesting to hear opinoins all over the map... Apparently the Football Fund is always a worry but I don't understand cause there is usually only 10 people getting paid out per quater for the football pool..

Lets do some math.

Lets assume that there are 20 jackpot tables going during a football game that has a promotion.

Since some are NL, let's assume an average of 25 hands per hour get the $2 Jackpot drop.

So per hour, there is $50 being dropped per table, times 20 tables, which equals $1k being dropped per hour.

Now lets assume each football game pays out $3k per quarter.

That is $12k for a 3 hour football game, and they cover about $3k of it from the tables alone during the game. That shouldn't be that hard to recover from IMO.

3k per quarter? but you are only assuming 20 tables. what % of tables actualy has a winner at the end of a quarter?

Or better yet each ticket has 2 ten digit numbers. So 1 in 100 tickets pays. Or is it 2 because they sometimes pay with the numbers reversed?

Another problem that hasn't been discussed is the fact that the food comps come out of the fund at an even $1 per $1. So basically, there is no comp and the food is all being paid for anyway by us at a rate much more than it costs the casino to make...I just think it is a strange way to promote as "comps" when in reality, we are all paying for it.

All this discussion is good and it's good to see the variety of opinions in this forum. Hopefully the upper management of the room keep an eye on this forum and the complaints/suggestions and consider all these points as they come up.

Once again, a reminder that "By Jackpot" we mean, "More money that we take for ourselves, and give a tiny bit back to you."

1. Take all the money.
2. Subtract from that money anything and everything we possibly can define as a promotion, including comps, overlays and even advertising.
3. Return as little of the money as possible to allow for further opportunities at step 2.
4. Repeat ad nauseum.

I don't care. I factor it into the cost of playing. ...but it's foolish to think it's not just another rake.

Especially when the tiny amounts they do dribble back to the players won't reach the average player. Since I don't eat food in the cardroom, I wouldn't get ANY of it back.

But then, I shouldn't complain because I'm not going to play there any more.

Are there better options anywhere near?

They pay for ADVERTISING from the promotional fund? I thought 100% is supposed to go back to the players. Why not pay for the dealers salaries from the promo fund too? They are serving the players after all, so the money is still going back to the players.

I've seen advertising mentioned, but I can't confirm it.

You can certainly make the "jackpot" fund work for you. Only seat your ass in the room during football games and overnight promotions; or only play tournaments that have a chance of an overlay. Otherwise, you're just getting raked 50% more than those who do.

Some of you people are cringe worthy.

For this reason the softest games might be outside the promo.

Nit deleter, ftw!

Not to mention that w/e brings in more players allows for much greater game selection which is a big deal to me.

GL to anyone playing the super bounty tomorrow/today!! I'll be there!!

Thanks for sharing the latest info on the BBJ added $$..hadn't seen that yet, I took the last 3 weeks off!!

I'm sure the mention of it being added at 2am is simply done at that time because that has always been the time they 'added' money to the next days jackpot so they are just keeping the flow same as always. Pretty sure ya the graveyard shift would freak out if it was changed to something different as also mentioned.

lol no

You say that like it's a crazy thought, like all the money actually stays in it or some such nonsense.

Every possible dime that can be taken out of it to pay for anything is taken before a cent goes back to the players.

Advertising might not count, but it's not laughable to consider.

The compacts don't seem to allow for using the money for anything other than giving it back to the players as rewards for poker-based activities.

http://www.gm.state.az.us/pdf_compac...282%292007.pdf

...but I'm no lawyer.


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On a separate note, remind the next floor person that you talk to that this is in the state compact regarding poker rooms:

The Gaming Facility Operator shall furnish, upon the request of any player, a complete legible set of all rules of play and betting for poker games, including house rules.

Why not just play when it's profitable to play? I.e. any day, any time. I was playing at 6 am this morning and there were still good games.

Let's assume the entire $6 JP drop you pay every hour never comes back to you ever in a JP or a promotion. If $6 per hour is the difference between profit or loss, you shouldn't be playing for money, just enjoyment.

And if you are a winning player in the jackpot games it's absurd to think you aren't getting substantially MORE than $6 per hour back. You'll get part of back directly from football pools, jackpots, table shares, tourney overlays, etc. But you'll get many times that back from bad players there because of the jackpot.

And every time they hit a winning football ticket, a jackpot share, or luckbox a tourney, most, if not all, of that money goes back into your games fairly rapidly.