Honestly from looking at the way the games are been played Im not sure I get a single fold betting that flop. I mean the guy is folding to 3bets a ton so I would think most of the range he continues with isnt folding to a single bet on that flop. Which makes me think I could possibly bet the flop and turn but seen as though it seems that once someone calls the flop they arnt folding the turn makes it a problem unless I hit my straight. Betting flop and turn looks immensly strong but once someone makes a decision to call a flop in a 3bet pot at these levels anyway, people seem very reluctant to fold because they are simply playing their cards in calling the flop.

The KQ hand what are we hoping to get called by when we bet the turn? QJ? The board been so dry I reckon the check back is probably ok. Probably should fold the river but his line is weird guessing when I check back the turn I havnt got many hands that can call a shove once again though it works out perfectly for the villain in that he hits his 2 outer when I take a strange line and actually have a hand.

Haha this is me trying to get better at poker:-



No sorry its this:-

No its this:-

I guess this is pretty standard. Im not even sure I like the cbet given the board but with 2 overs and gutshot again I guess most people would fire the flop. I would fire the turn if I thought there were any chance he could fold.

So just checking again and I am now at 28 3bets for the day where I saw a flop in 13 of them. I didnt cbet all of them but the ones I did I got 1 fold on the flop. It seems mad that at Zoom I am getting hammered when I 3bet and get called and miss the flop.

Looks like its going to need a bit of adjusting to at the moment and does actually play differently from the normal games. Maybe it needs an ultra ABC strat rather than doing anything fancy. The worse thing about it is you can pretty much guarentee these players going crazy and calling 3bets like they have gone out of fashion will mostly be losing players.

Made a post but it got deleted for some reason. Just to say I managed not to tilt which was a good result I guess after a trying day results wise.

I also went through my stats for the coresponding games and most of my stats are almost identical apart from my flop cbet success and my 3bet success which are both about 10% lower than the reg games.

whats your sn on stars?

This game is just plain weird. Zoom seems to bring out total extremes in play I have seen players playing sets like middle pair and regs playing TPWK as the nuts, crazy crazy game.

Anyway played a pretty good session and for the most part managed to keep it pretty simple. I won a big pot early on where I ran very good rivering trips after the villain raised the dryest board on the flop with TP.

Heres a few of the hands:-

Not whinging about this one but the villain is an uber nit whos range pre is PP`s and he is playing fit or fold. If I bet he is basically folding unless he has an overpair or set so I really cant get value from this guy post flop unless I cooler him so decide to go check/call and hope he hasnt rivered his set.......



Hopefully I have it sussed that I have to bet more for value and keep bluffs to a minimum. Villain is 9/6 and people are stacking off quite light.



Hate my sizing in this one and I think I could have played it very different. The number of squeezes Im seeing is unbelievable. I cant wait to get more hands on people to see who is getting way out of line doing this.

Just highlighting some threads here that I need to read in the next day or so in regards to self help stuff:-

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...ut-20-minutes/

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...-productivity/

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...ys-to-success/

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...ught-patterns/

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/200...p-complaining/

QQ Do we always have to get max value though? Especially with the flush draw out there, even if we bet flop and nit folds, we have gained by getting him to make a bad call pre by set mining. Is taking down the pot here good enough?

Thanks for links too.

QQ hand, if your checking the flop you have to bet this turn. On the flop TT, 99 all have pairs + gutshots On the turn 55, 66 all have pairs + gutshots I wouldn't be surprised to see 33 call in that spot on the turn because your line looks FOS.

In the KQ hand vs 66, You should be betting this turn (although there is some merrit to checking behind vs certain player types but a 40bb stack is not one) . JJ/TT/99/88 will all call the turn bet as well as any Qx hand. Betting the turn gives you the option to go for 3 streets of value if you river a K or Q where as checking the turn only gives you 2 streets maximum.

I think both hands are subtle FPS by me. In the QQ hand I just have it in my head that he isnt calling anything that beats me but it does make sense that when it goes check/check I can get some value on the turn.

Again in the KQ hand I just have it in my head on the turn that he never calls with worse. I think even if that were true then I could always make a small bet to try and encourage him to call with worse. I think Im getting caught up in the results again thinking that people are only calling when I am beat or expecting to be beat and that has me playing sub optimally.

This thread needs some run good in it so.........

(Realized I missed value with my sizings as well as I thought he may fold weaker aces on the river to a shove)

hahahaha , that baby gif is pretty funny.

Anything I can do here? Villain is 32/10 after 52.






Do I just claim that as running good because I should get stacked? Seems a bit weak folding to the flop min raise.

Hand 6: WP, take a note move on

Play on the river in this one. Villain is 38/15 after 13 but probable fish with the limp.







Bet/fold, check/fold, check/call. Not really that keen on any of the options. I decided bet/fold because it felt like the easiest option even though I guess he has Tx a bit.


Me running good against a reg:-

Opener is 14/9, villain is 17/12.




Was going to go smaller on the river but given the action he has a lower set a lot of the time, either that or QT.

I think you lost the bare minimum in this hand, i would be quite chuffed with this hand.

The way you played this hand seems a little off to me ..not sure i like the bet sizing against a probable fish type.

KK: I doubt a 32/10 fish min raises anything worse than AQ but he has a lot 8x in his range. OTR you're beaten almost always so I think I fold there at latest.

KK: I def. make it bigger OTT. River is fine.

JJ: I think I bet OTT as MP3 must have had something OTF as he overcalled.

KK hand, Bet bigger on the turn, I have noticed in this thread a lot of your turn bets are really weak in sizing when betting for value or you check behind the turn to often (I'd discuss this with Klaric as its probably a leak)

JJ hand, Check raise turn larger, sizing is a little off due to the fact that you are overbetting the river. You would much rather bet $38 into $46 on the river rather than bet $43 into $38

I agree with the above.

Are you being coached by Klaric atm? Do you feel it brought improvements to your game?

Thats pretty much what I thought. I need to look at this as me running good.

Agreed after looking at it again. My sizing was more not to scare him off than anything.

1st KK hand Im just seeing lots of raises on pretty dry boards but as of yet If im honest people have been showing up with big hands. A touch frustrating but seems to be the thing at Zoom, half the time you see people playing 7/6 etc limping and people raise automatically only for them to get limp re-raised.

2nd KK agreed with the turn.

I sort of agree with the JJ hand but my thinking was also that MP3 had a decent hand at this point and if for some reason he had a monster then he might raise me and we lose the other player. I was hoping he bet and the opener came along too before I raised.

I always tend to worry especially on the turn that a) Im going to get raised so its cheaper for me to fold and b) a big bet looks stronger. Against this villain my sizing isnt really important in the sense that if he calls a medium sized bet theres a very good chance that he calls a bigger bet. I dont seem to have that thinking in game though and revert to smaller because its cheaper to fold.

Just on the river play, what is your preferred play given us not really knowing much about the villain?

JJ hand again a bit of a leak I have in not thinking 1 street ahead and how my stack size will be compared to the pot when raising. In this one I made it a bit bigger than I would normally and didnt think I would get away with a bigger raise. Again though i guess a couple of dollars isnt going to make too much difference in this spot to his calling range. I realized as soon as I got to the river I may have made it too small when I saw I had to overbet.



Tempting fate a little here but on the whole Im not playing too bad and find myself thinking more than I normally would at the tables. The month is going well so far and Ive managed nearly 10K hands now. Im up just over 8 buy ins and after last month Im just glad to be up and my sessions tab now has a lot of green instead of a lot of red and Ive now won in 11 out of 15 sessions so far.

Just need to try and keep playing well but pretty happy so far.

Thats the wrong way to look at it imo, its not running good, think of it as playing good.

You played the hand as well as you could, thinking of run good should not be what you take from this hand.

Anyway .. since when has running KK into someone's AA ever been classed as run good ? ..

Elliot has obviously taken you too far the other way now...its not possible to see run good in every hand !

I agree in some situations .. its good to remember when you where indeed a little fortunate and acknowledge the run good when it arrives ... those help when trying to deal with the coolers etc.

Like most things in life .. its all about a little balance.

Betting bigger on the turn as stated, the river is either VB or x/f imo.

Betting 1/3 looks weak, its hard for you to have a T, draws missed and you make it easy if villain is agressive to get you off KK here.

Betting just over 1/2 pot makes it harder for villain to bluff and you could get paid off by 2nd pair or 88,99

If you don't VB KK here what do you VB?

Stan

Yeah agree with the turn still undecided over the river though because his hand just feels like Tx a lot of the time. I think Im leaning towards check/fold because I dont really have to worry about him bluffing that often. I do think thats the same for the river though, I dont think he takes a weak showdown hand or missed draw and turn it in to a bluff after seeing my sizing.