Fixed

Kevin Correia is all over the spreadsheet, he is on Awenuts' roster as well as Coff's.

Fixed. dunno what was up with that.

also i had Eric Young Jr misclassified as minor league eligible. I'm sure i screwed up at least one other like him, but the only way to catch it is fangraphing everyone or just knowing if they played enough (130 ABs, 50IP)

Sounds good to me.

I'll be sending my cuts out later tonight.

i'll be sending your mom cuts of meat later tonight

shoop-da-woop zippity zoo-ha zing!

So we're sticking by tomorrow as the deadline for roster cuts? I'm cool if that's the consensus, but I'd still rather put it off.

Yes, it looked like we're delaying minor league moves (excluding mandatory promotions due to service time) for now, but that the consensus was to have MLB roster cuts submitted by tomorrow.

Okay cool. I'll do those today.

I've gotten cut lists from 4, heard from 5 others, PM'd the remaining.

i don't think today should be a hard deadline, i.e. i don't think people that fail to get back to my by midnight should be forced to do cut/keep anyone. that said, i'll try and get everyone to submit asap and then i'll publish the free agent list and we can start talking trades.

fyi what do you guys think about Joe Nathan?

AwesomeNutshot drafed him for something like $70 last year, he blows his arm up, they are locked into paying his salary no matter what, and can stash him on IR - but they end up cutting him to free up $4. Later on in the season I notice him available and win my bid on him for $4. He's mine to keep for 2011 at $5 right? I think it could look a little shady or like i'm gaming the system so i'm posting about it, but i think i'm being logical. if the consensus is i'm wrong i'll throw him back in the FA pool, but we'll have to come up with something concrete wrt to cut players then being signed by other teams.

K, still waiting on:

iamawesomer/nutshot2
Coff
Jokes
Karak

I PM'ed my cuts first thing this morning, let me know if there are any issues.

I am fine with the Joe Nathan situation, but maybe there should be a better to handle these types of situations? As you know, well if he returns to form, youre getting a steal on Nathan at that price and likely could for the remainder of his tenure on your team. I dont have a good solution though.

In my other leagues we generally use the higher of the 2 values when determining the value of a players contract. So if a player is drafted at 50 and is cut and is picked up at 4, his contract reverts to the 50. If a player is drafted at 4 and cut and is picked up for 50, his contract becomes 50. Since there was no such rule in place going into this year, I have no problem with Nathan being kept at 5 this year.

So basically, what should have happened is that we all should have seen Nathan hit the wire, and then bidding should have opened up for his services in 2011. But none of us noticed or were as clever as Exit, so he got him for $4. I'm not sure that Exit should have paid that much more for him; after all, he has to carry him on his roster for all of 2010, and of course there's no guarantee of a return to form, or a return to the closer role, or whatever. I dunno, he might have gone for $30 or something.

I don't have a problem with primetime's rule as proposed; it will basically eliminate in-season stocking up for next year. Whether we want to open that up or eliminate it is really the question, but I don't have any problem letting Exit keep Nathan, since he was ahead of the curve on this. Or we could cap Nathan's contract with Exit at two years or something, since this happened so early in the league's history. But again, he's a closer well on the wrong side of 30, so Exit's upside is pretty limited in any case.

I think i like primetime's suggested rule, makes sense to me that a team could sign him for the rest of the current year for cheap but if they want to keep him for the following year they'd have to pay the higher of the two #'s.

Assuming we switch to that rule (unless someone objects I'm gonna say we are), pretty sure id feel best just putting Nathan in FA this year but Lev's idea of a 2 year contract for Nathan (ending 2011) seems ok to me too - obviously since i benefit, but i think a bit of a reward for strategizing w/in the current rules prob makes sense. then again fifield operated within the stated rules when he did something no one else thought of too.

Have a bit to decide still as we're still waiting on Jokes, Awesomenutshot, and Karak before I can publish the FA list/start offseason. Jokes has been MIA on 2p2 since July when he said his computer was hacked - so he's a slight question mark.

+1 to the Primetime rule going forward, not sure we should apply it to Nathan or not. What should we do about Jokes?

Its tough bc he most likely is not thinking about fantasy baseball atm, and would only know about the deadline if he was on the interwebs. But at the same time if hasnt been online in months what are the odds of him re-appearing? I know of a few 2+2ers that we can ask if worst comes to worst.

my list is coming in a bit sorry finals

Is the Carlos Lee salary too low? I think it may have been higher and the other owner just agreed to pick up some of his salary for they year. If it is determined that his salary is higher than what is listed, I want to retain the right to cut him (as I retained him on the assumption that his salary was as stated).

my cuts are in sorry for the delay

ill be back on top of things helping run everything once finals are over

karaker

I think we need to look into fixing the players salary jumps. 5% seems too little to me, I think it should be more like 10% or $5 whichever is higher.

Note that this change would hurt me more so than most, but I don't think it's fair that if Delmon turns into 30 hrs .350/.550 that I should be able to have him for under $14 for the next decade. Rookies should be the best value.


edit: I meant it's something we should look into changing for the future, don't think we should do any changes for this year.(though I wouldn't really be against it)

Good catch, his salary was originally $36, so his 2011 salary would be $40. And agreed you still have the right to decide.

Me and Thayer talking and we agree the salary system we have is definitely flawed and we should fix it this offseason so it can be implemented for 2012.
mainly cheap players seem to be too good of assets, and i don't think $4 min contracts should be better for a team than a rookie contract - which i think should be adjusted to 4 4 4 10 15 20 not 10 30 50. so idealy i'd like to tier salary increases so that cheap players kept for long times can still be valuable but not unrealistically so/not better value than a rookie. Maybe this just means changing the minimum raise to $5, or maybe go to 10% increases with $3 minimum. edit: or maybe fixed $ raises depending on contract year, and contracts can only be X years (five or six seems like a good max) similar to how the N3/N2 leagues run.

i dont have the time right now to play with math and see how it all works, but if anyone has suggestions or comments on how this season/offseason has worked now would be a good time to speak up.


edit:

also the 'X free drops' was a pain in the ass to keep up with, something needs to be reworked there too.

i got your email, hope i remember the login info. should have something together by the weekend (just moved/new job, quite busy) i'm guessing nutshot didn't do **** seeing as he's nutshot.

nutshot zero