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Old 02-04-2009, 11:19 PM   #376
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YES!

The best thing about this issue, imo, is that everyone can agree on it. The greenies ("save the environment!!11"), the businesses ("keep US economy viable and in front"), as well as the terroristas ("stop American dependence on foreign oil").

The faster we get off oil, the fewer wars we will have to fight and the longer we will remain the central world economy.

This is my #1 hope for Obama, that he really follows through on his talk about energy.
All your base are belong to us.

Actually Europe is investing far more in alternative energy solutions then the US.
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:07 AM   #377
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what's up everyone. took some time off and now starting to get back into the swing of things even though this month is not going to be my favorite...turn 30 next week... but good luck to everyone in february
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:31 AM   #378
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:39 AM   #379
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Old 02-05-2009, 12:43 AM   #380
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I just find it funny that someone who has done more actual good for the environment than every hippie reading this thread would take a quasi-religious illogical stance on this.

That's cool. It'll force me to have my ducks in a row on this one. I hope to counter hand-picked outliers with a preponderance of evidence. Wish me luck.

Oh, posted from my iPhone by the way. Woot!
good luck, you'll need it. The evidence about the warming since 1998 is uncontroverted; people on your side simply try to claim that it is a cold spike predicted within the general warming trend they say exists.

see also the pacific decadal oscillation.

I do not believe that the world is in a long term warming trend, nor do I believe that it is in a long term cooling trend. I simply acknowledge the facts as they exist, and as they exist, the world is unquestionably cooling and has been for 10 years.
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Old 02-05-2009, 06:39 AM   #381
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Hmmmm, my random musing on the subject (because I'm not well enough informed to debate properly)

(a) Finite Resource (fossil fuel) may or may not cause global warming.
(b) We are going to use up that finite resource for sure at some point
(c) If we do and there is no alternative then the whole thing is ****ed
(d) Tax the thing to encourage a more responsible use?
(e) Why would anyone want to use 4x something when 1x can do the same job?

Hence the global warming thing can be set aside and you can still argue an economic and environmental argument for "green" fuel policies.
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Old 02-05-2009, 07:30 AM   #382
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[ ] global warming

Like it or not, temperatures have been falling since 1998. Now, you may be willing to ignore facts that get in the way of Goreism, but I remain at leat mildly interested in things like facts, average temperatures, data and all of that silly stuff.
Mpethy, if poker taught you one thing it should be this:

After a huge cooler there will be a huge heater


And on a more serious note: Yesterday there was a documentry about this subject. Maybe the global warming is all bullcrap, but oil is running dry and it's expensive.
You have to get the motor running etc, all extra cost.

Using air and the sun as energy source is going to be much cheaper in the future. It's just the new energy source, oil is going to be history, just like the energy they used before the industrial revolution
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:09 AM   #383
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Guys,

isn't time for a well?
Ivi? Digger?
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:18 AM   #384
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isn't time for a well?
Ivi? Digger?
They both have done it
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:19 AM   #385
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O lol, why do I always miss the wells, silly
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:21 AM   #386
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O lol, why do I always miss the wells, silly


Btw, added you on AIM so now you have one poker buddy more.
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Old 02-05-2009, 08:37 AM   #387
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lol, nice, cu there
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Old 02-05-2009, 09:49 AM   #388
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Lol, global warming deniers. While the "trend" may be reversing itself, which is a good thing, how much damage has already been done? Should we cut down on crime prevention because there's not as much crime now as there was in the 70's? Or is it because we have increased our commitment to crime prevention that the trends reversing? To say global warming does not exist or won't be a problem in the future is burying your head in the sand.

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2004

Hmmm.....
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Old 02-05-2009, 10:03 AM   #389
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That one is actually my mistake Cap,
I had to take a piss and I am all chemical inside because of the drinking
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Old 02-05-2009, 10:31 AM   #390
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That one is actually my mistake Cap,
I had to take a piss and I am all chemical inside because of the drinking
Global Warming is TDK's fault.
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yes it is, i even put on the lights when it's light outside because I hate sun light
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Old 02-05-2009, 10:37 AM   #392
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Lol, global warming deniers. While the "trend" may be reversing itself, which is a good thing, how much damage has already been done? Should we cut down on crime prevention because there's not as much crime now as there was in the 70's? Or is it because we have increased our commitment to crime prevention that the trends reversing? To say global warming does not exist or won't be a problem in the future is burying your head in the sand.

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Holy sh*t!
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Old 02-05-2009, 10:40 AM   #394
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and actually Cap is just making a commercial for global warming, because the 1941 really looks like crap and if I go there I die,
but the 2004 picture really looks like: I want to go on vacation!
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Old 02-05-2009, 01:25 PM   #395
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"**** free markets, let's just not even bother pretending anymore."

Taxes should be for revenue generation, not social engineering. They especially should't be used for silly social engineering--such as concerns over global warming in a world where the global warming trend reversed in the late 90s.
I let other people debate the global/environment issues.

I am speaking more from a transfer of wealth, national security, capitlazation of a new market, and flatting the world economy by making the 2Billion people who are energy poor now consumers of American goods.
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good luck, you'll need it. The evidence about the warming since 1998 is uncontroverted; people on your side simply try to claim that it is a cold spike predicted within the general warming trend they say exists.

see also the pacific decadal oscillation.

I do not believe that the world is in a long term warming trend, nor do I believe that it is in a long term cooling trend. I simply acknowledge the facts as they exist, and as they exist, the world is unquestionably cooling and has been for 10 years.
My Cousin is a marine bioligist (PHD), and we had a heated discussion about the pacific decadal osciallation at 2AM after a few bottles of wine....did not go well.


On another note, the lady I am working with on this project hates John Denver.....sigh.
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Old 02-05-2009, 01:31 PM   #397
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Wow, the global warming thing is still being discussed.

tl;dr bored at work to follow

Let me make a few philosophical type points that everyone who has a strong opinion in terms of global warming should consider.

1. Global climate is dynamic over long periods of time. Throughout geological history, not just human history, there have always been long* periods of cooling and warming including periodic ice ages (advancing of glaciers followed by recession of glaciers). These trends are long to us but flickers on a timescale of billions of years. It's a flaw of our perception that we expect the climate and environment to be static, just because we are here to observe it now. I has not been static for billions of years and now that we have a few thousand years of recorded history we expect nothing to change from how it is currently. This is a psychological flaw of humans. Most people hate change. Take an impressive mountain range for example. When you look at it, the size an majesty impress you. Most people get the sense that the mountains have always been there, and will remain long after we are gone. On a geological time scale even they are fleeting. Mountains are constantly forming and crumbling away. If you could sit there and stare at them for a few million years you would see how dynamic they really are. If you could sit there longer you would witness them disappear completely! So all these pictures of melting glaciers over 60 years, graphs of 20 years of average temperature are flawed. Sample size ldo. Poker players should be able to appreciate that. Looking at a sample size of 40 years and extrapolating to billions of years is like looking it PT at a sample of 1k hands and saying, "this is without a doubt, my lifetime winrate."

Bottom line is that it is flawed thinking to assume everything is static and try to force the world economy to expend vast resources trying to maintain that. We would be much better off approaching things in a rational way and diverting more resources to understanding before leaping into massive, heroic action.

2. There are tons a variables that are inputs into global climate. Many of them interact. CO2 emissions by humans being only one, and it doesn't seem to be a very big input at that. Some others that come to mind solar cycles (the sun also does not have constant output), changes in the orbit of the earth, etc whose effect most likely have a much bigger impact on trends in global climate than CO2. Interestingly water is a much much stronger greenhouse gas than CO2 - that's almost never discussed. Most water in the atmosphere is from natural sources. Next is CO2. Most CO2 is still from natural sources... then you have to get into adsorption frequencies for each greenhouse gas... then you have to go into feedback loops etc...

Bottom line for point #2: This problem is way more complicated than people give it credit. Anyone who says with absolute confidence that CO2 is solely and definitively the cause of current warming trends is either lying, or doesn't understand the complexity of the system.

Hence why this whole thing is a new religion. A complicated question. Incompletely available answers... yet groups of people who are steadfast for or against it based on something similar to faith. To top it all off, if you don't agree with the people on the righteous side then you are a bad person and you might as well be personally clubbing baby seals.
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I let other people debate the global/environment issues.

I am speaking more from a transfer of wealth, national security, capitlazation of a new market, and flatting the world economy by making the 2Billion people who are energy poor now consumers of American goods.
Also, FWIW, I'm not saying we shouldn't transition to better sources of energy etc... we just need to do it in an economically logical way that truly does benefit the world like Sammy is suggesting...

There are countless problems in the world that are without a doubt real. Let's spend our finite resources where we are guaranteed to make an actual difference in a rational way - not based on the latest mass hysteria.
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just went All-in on BAC and Shorted the crap out of Citi............may be pushing a 2 outer.
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