So I decided to avoid this thread for a few weeks to stop myself rambling about the ex. Kinda worked in that I don't really care anymore ... her relationship is actually more entertainment value than anything else at this point.

Anyway, I have a potential issue that I'd like to run past you fellas. It's kind of a little ****ed up square of ****ed upedness.

Finished my exams last Fri and was out celebrating with class. I think it's fair to say my game was very much on. We were at a lads house before going to a club.

Spent a while chatting flirtatiously to a girl from my class that I hadn't really talked to that much before (let's call her T) ... she seemed kinda sorta into me but I was just talking to her for fun, wasn't really after her so I didn't pick up on the signs. That was at the start of the night, spent a while mingling, drinking and owning **** up at beer pong and then finally got talking to the girl I was actually after. Let's call her F.

We're still in the house at this point and things are going well with F. Then 12 hits and it's one of the lads birthdays so I kinda lose track of F. After some cheering and stuff we all head out to get a taxi to a club. About 25 of us (I guess based on the amount of empty bottles left the next day) all split up to get taxis so didn't see F then either. Got to the club and found her again after a while ... think I bought her a drink but not sure ... things were going well again anyway. At some point T starts talking to me again and says I can stay in her place that night if I want, rather than paying taxi home. I'm like cool, and assume it's just a friendly invite and that there will be a fair few people staying there.

Then I lose track of her again, I don't have a ****ing clue how. I do my thing for a while then decide to try find her again, moving around dancing on the dance floor when I get caught up in a group of friends ... stay there dancing for a while and then a girl pulls me off the dance floor. We'll call her T2. Spend the night grinding and kissing T2, go get food with her after and walk her home (no didn't go in - wait for it).

Turns out T2 is twins with T. Yea, I got her name wrong when she first pulled me off the dance floor. Even better, F is best friends with both of them. Of course I didn't find out all this until I was walking T2 home. T2 and T live together and when we got there I could see the place was packed so I just ****ed off.

Talk to T2 a few days later (text) and say if she ever wants to go get a drink or something to let me know, but she's fairly distant. Weird cause she was REALLY into me on the night. Anyway, didn't bother me.

But then I though about it a bit, and I have a theory.

T, T2 and F are all best friends / twins / you read it above. I like F. T likes me. I spent the night grinding all over T2 and then asked her out a few days later with the hope of hitting that. The reason I think this is because of how T was all into me earlier in the night, as was her twin. Then her twin suddenly becomes distant a few days later. I think girls (and especially sisters) talk - and I may have ****ed up a bit. Also another thing ... I THINK I added both T and T2 to facebook when I got home that night at like 6am or whatever. Think T may have declined though - maybe cause she's a bit pissed off that I was flirting (un-intentionally) with her first then grinding all over her sister. Who knows.

T and F are like the two hottest girls in my class. T2 is from a diff class. If I've ****ed this up un-intentionally ima be mad.

Back to lectures this week so should find out more soon. Anyway, two things. Do you think my theory has a good chance of being near enough to correct? If so, best way to defuse this situation?

i think the ultimatum is needed in this particular situation because she already has a BF and needs to know 100% that wonthyme is interested in a relationship before she does anything irreversible.

otherwise i would agree. if she was single, just do whatever you want until that prompts her to act. here, if wonthyme does whatever he wants, she'll probably just say "**** it, im not leaving my bf for some guy who isnt 100% committed"

don't get terminated

New Thread Title Proposal: Money and Sex, F****** and Checks

SL "Ask A Girl Out" Thread: Now With Added Beta Blocker!

At least we've advanced from the days that the thread title was in passive voice (SL "Ask Out a Girl" Thread).

TR. not hungover at all too so swag. so the girl from this

posts on fb during the week that she's going out on the weekend. last time i talked to her she said she didn't have a phone so i contacted her on fb and said if you're going out this weekend hit me up. she replied back with the location and her number. so saturday i text her and confirmed she was still going out. i told her i'd try to make it out depends on wherever the DD wants to go. well my two normal DD's bowed out early on the night so i decided to do it. i text another girl who i met at a bar in that area and she's going out too so i figure it should workout since i know 2 girls separately there. i pick up two friends and go at like 11:30.

the bar the first girl is at is cool. i've been there before for pong nights during the week but this is the first time i've been on a weekend and it had a good dance floor going. i hangout a while keeping an eye out for the girl but eventually just text and say i'm here. it takes a while for us to find each other but she's really into it, looks good, and introduces me to her friends. one is really cute one is average. so i immediately wing man for my friends but they never really clicked. the girls are in line for the bathroom so i dance with a blonde. not sure if she saw or not but the girl didn't dance too good. i saw her like 15min later making out with a guy full on like bf status on the dance floor so that explained it. i dance with the girl who i met up with but it was during the weak like dubstep electro phase of music so i wasn't feeling it. i cut it short and said i'd meet her at the bar. later we're talking and some dude and his friend come up and says hi to her. i've been getting texts from the other girl in the area about which bars she's at and going to next so i dip with a friend, while my other friend is dancing with randoms, to meet up with her at one. i get to the bar and don't see her anywhere. i have one hand on the bar and a drunk mexican dude puts his hand on mine on accident and starts apologizing over and over. says he'll buy me a drink i'm like nah its good man you barely touched me. he kept insisting so i'm like **** it 1800 tequila. they only had patron so ya he bought that. then he saw my friend next to me and bought him one too. i had to hear some story about how his brother is back from iraq and was here and blah blah. all while i'm just waiting for the girl i know to text me back if she's here or not. she never does and we got a free drink so we had back to the first bar.

as we're walking my friend goes "don't i know you?!" to some girl outside of a bar having a cig. i thought he was just trying a random pick up line and i even said "wow. not creepin at all". turns out he did know her and i've actually seen her at house parties before. more importantly she's with a friend and her friend immediately says wow you're hot. like i'm serious you're hot. i say uhh... thanks. you're not so bad yourself. she was a standard 7. we introduce ourselves to each other. she's like you're mine tonight and kept being really forward. i keep laughing and make obligatory gorilla ****ing jokes. i also find out she's getting divorced or just got divorced or something. they agree to go back to the other bar. on the way she's holding onto my arm and we're talking. i ask whose place she's going to after. she says well not my friends because she lives with her dad still. she says we'll have to end up in her car together. i say ahaha. i have a car right now in this parking lot. lets go. she's a little hesitant but eventually she tells her friend who's infront of us we're going to go to the car real quick to get something.

on the way she says she has to pee. so we go back to a bar and she does that. not sure if she was removing some type of birth control ring or not but i try not to think about it. we get to the car and she puts her **** in the front seat. we start making out against the back passenger side window (for the sake of a visual). i finger her and then get head for like 50 seconds. the parking lot is dark and not around people who walk unless they're going to their car. not that i was really caring either way. she lays back on the back seat and i strap up and start hitting it. the door is open so i ask if she wants it shut. she sayd idc keep going feels good. so i shut it so i don't get some type of indecent exposure charge. so ya we just ****. i did some hair pulling to try and live up to my gorilla ****ing jokes. made her call me daddy and say **** me daddy over and over. she chose the positions we switched to doggy and i was going to be good with that for the rest of time but then she said she wants to ride me. funny moment here when her arm is by my face i just bit down below her wrist and just held onto it while jackhammering lol. when she's on top i think i'm getting close to the cumming stage so i try to check if the condom is still on. that area is like soaking wet so i can't really tell and i'm paranoid because ya only sluts get into this scenario 8minutes after meeting someone. while i'm checking she freaks out and goes wait did it come off? i go no i was just checking if it broke but it didn't. she says let me see. i show and she goes okay i thought you were taking it off. that worked out because the break helped me catch my second wind. we went back to missionary and i put my head into the side of the seat and banged it out until i could cum. i pulled out just to make sure the condom was intact and finished like that.

she was like oh god thank you i needed that it's been a while. then gives me the speech how i've never done something like that before it was intense. i'm out of breath so i can't really say much. we walk back to the bar we were originally heading to and she takes my number and says so can i just like call you whenever and you'll come and do that? i say if my schedule permits then pretty much. she saves my number but never sends me hers so ya.

i check my phone and the 2nd girl i went to meetup with said she's heading back home now but i can come over. in my head i'm like oh **** i could bang these 3 girls all in one night and then bootycall everyone in my phone and try to set some type of record. but my body just came so all i'm thinking about is eating food and playing like n64 would be legit right now. back inside the bar makes this even more noticeable. after you've ****ed you notice how crazy all the sexual energy is. it's like all dudes looking to **** and all girls look to attract and when you're completely out of it you feel like you can't even ferment that sexual testosterone scent that everyone else seems to do. so i leave and walk to get a bottle water at a 7-11.

it's like 1:20am so the rest of the night just involves me waiting for one of my friends who i barely saw all night to finish up on pulling numbers. he said he got like 6. then we went and smoked and i was back home by 3:30 to play two s&g's with vintage. oh and girl #1 who i never saw the rest of the night text me saying sorry, something happened with her girl friends or watever and that it was good seeing each other again.

truly, truly inspiring.

Got confirmation of why she didn't respond to me: she had a boyfriend LOLLLL

Good TR GG, enjoyed it.

Here are the leaks in depth about your post and your game ;


1)go in more detail about chat if u want accurate advice
2)ffs when making up fake names, use NAMES not lettres this is so tilt
3) Major leak; when going out ur aim should always be to have a good time/relax and be social, not to pick up chicks, when ur goal is to pick up chicks, its usually fairly obv and it makes u look needy/wanting, hence, you should always HAVE game, but never have getting laid as ur main objective, mental game leak ! so u should be picking up the IOIs ("signs") regardless.
4) zzzz im already confused whose who use namessss T= Tina , F = ****meboots from here on out.
5) lol yeah look more needy, sigh, engage her in a bar bet or game, thats in reality a con/that she can never win, so she has to buy you a drink, buy her one back later obv. what does this do? it makes her laugh most likely, and puts u in a good spotlight <--> hey im so needy ill buy a drink if i can get 5 mins of ur attention
DUCY?
6) Try and spark jealousy between HBTina and HB****meboots.
7) why dont u go search her and follow her around the entire night long, that doesnt make u look needy and desperate and seriously off putting at all?
/sarcasm (im just being hard so u learn haha)
8) why spend ur energy and time walking her home, when ur not gonna go in, and u have 2 other prospects at the party? but i guess gj at kissing? not sure tho lol
9) 3-some?
10) 3- some !!!!! srsly tho, ur not dating any of these girls in an exclusive way, if i was you i would totally go in and try and game Tina as much as possible cant hurt imo, definitely more baller then going home alone?
But to be fair, 3some with bff and Twinclone (T2) would be better prolly.
So i guess going in with Twinclone and just sexing her wouldve been optimal.
altho going in and trying to game Tina wouldve been more fun.
Really going home alone, is somehow the nut worst line in ur scenario.
11) needyyyyy Hence nr. 12) not weird at all
13) lol kill me now, i really cant believe guys arent better at this...
14) Yeah get home, dont go to bed man, snap try and become facebook friends in that instant do it first!!! doesnt look needy and desperate at all
/sarcasm


Ur main questions response;
Overall evaluation 4/10, fail.
Reasons;
-You appeared needy, desperate, and unaware of the social dynamic at all times pretty much.
-You missed out on a BUNCH of +EV spots, like creating jealousy, spending time with your friends which will make u look alot better then trying to find the girl(s) the entire evening pretty much and randomly getting halted by your friends etc. GOING HOME ALONE WTFFF
-You lowered ur value (instead of raising it compared to hers) by buying her a drink (this is like openfolding Aces in poker) in order to hopingly get her attention.

As for your theory, ugh i mean sure, it could be right, but im not sure what the point is here, like uf ucked up legit in multiple areas, trying to salvage this will be pretty hard ish at least imo.


However Tina and ****meboots are in your class which makes it easier since ull bump into each other .

This is how you go about it, u just let Twinclone be just **** it, seriously, You like ****meboots, but u flirt some with Tina unintentionally and then when u cant find either of em for 5 mins u panic and just decide to make out with random girl (which seems fine, because u could spark jealousy and what not and get way DHVd trough the roof) but u played it in a way that u just look like the, Hey ill take what i can get kinda guy if that makes sense?

So what u do now is, be friendly, but NON needy towards Twinclone dont even ask her to meet up, just let her be whatevs if she comes to you fine you can find a spot in ur busy schedule if she doesnt who cares, no really, who cares? lol

for F and T depending on whoever u like most when u bump into her you just say something along the lines of ; damn do u remember [insert the night that happened here] i was pretty tipsy and laugh, and hope shell say something like tipsy? and then say ok maybe quite far past that, however, if she doesnt say that, then just say, bah i cant trick you, your to clever, i was pretty drunk, i even made out with this girl that really wasnt my type, pfff definitely a weird evening for me [[if ur talking to F u might insert something like, ill let you in on a little secret (fishing game) let her really ask about it, like ohhh cmon tell me or secret oeh im intrigued get her in that state) and then say haha, its kinda silly, but u know how some people are angry drunks? or sleepy drunks? im quite the sexual being when im drunk [this part is pretty advanced, if u dont feel comfy dont say it, wont come off right] then say like, did u think the girl was cute, because i even feel a little bit like i got taken advantage off haha say it in a way that makes her laugh, and that makes u sound honest.

OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT just kinda figure it out on the fly, whatever u do, dont pretend like u dont remember anything, dont pretend like u dont know its her sister, and DO NOT APOLOGISE

DO NOT APOLOGISE

then proceed by saying, i had a good time with you tho, when i was still pretty sober ish, to bad you lost track of me ( blame her, pretend like "ur the prize" )

see where the convo leads you to, however dont appear too needy, im sure being in the same class u have similair friends and will meet up on future partys and what not where u can then say, Heyyy im taking it easy on the drinks tonight, still pretty hurt from [ insert (non necessairly real) party here] Yesterday (2 days ago whatever, make it not too far in the past) so im kinda happy to run into you, tought i was gonna be bored out of my mind now i at least get a chance to talk to someone semi-interesting
she goes: semi? jeez thx
you go; well i dont know u that well, perhaps u turn out to be really boring! like 2 weeks ago i met this girl while partying [insert funny anecdote]
Take it from there

sleep with her

WIN

on a serious note tho, make up your mind ****meboots or Tina
u have to pick either one, you have the power to choose tho, but dont go after both simultaneously because they know each other and are in your class thats just ****ting where you eat.
let the sister be and play it down like its a slip up while extremely happy and drinking a bunch.

and stop being needy

lmk if u have any further questions, altho prolly wont be checking this thread again, so hit me up u have my digits

GG, do these TRs happen in college towns or large cities?

Giving an ultimatum is always a bad idea...just my .02 tho

Need a quick line check. Feel like I'm forever going on about my situation so will make it brief.

She's supposed to visit tomorrow, as mutually agreed last week. On Saturday, we're texting and she says she'll get the train mid-afternoon. After a few more texts, I don't reply to one of hers for whatever reason. Next day, I call her about 5pm, no answer. She texts back about 11pm 'sorry I missed your call, hope you had a good weekend', etc etc. Fairly standard.

So I text her earlier today about 4pm, asking what time she planned on getting in tomorrow. It's 8.30pm and still no answer. Not sure what my play is here. a) text again like "are you coming or not", b) call her, c) ignore and see if she contacts me this evening. If she doesn't, then what? Since it seems kinda likely in that case that she isn't coming.

Nvm ignore/delete, she obv replied and all's good

if she didn't though... "are you coming or not" is waaaaay the worst move out of your choices.

Wow I was gonna go with that! I appreciate doing nothing is probably the best play but I don't see a follow-up text as that bad. Why's it horrible?

If I was a girl and some1 texted me that it would tilt the shiet out of me and I wouldnt come.

For some mad reason this girl seems semi-interested in me, I am a consistent loser at girl business though I need to acquire some end game fast.

Go for the gold brah

...whip out the dick..

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