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06-29-2020 , 03:28 PM

#3176

Kukraprout

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Actually keeping the kill for night 3 is not that bad, assuming their JOAT is well hidden:

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Wolf JOAT: may target one player each night with a kill/true role peek/track/angel (may not protect self); may not repeat her/his abilities; may only pass to the backup UNused abilities

peek and track n1 and n2 let them seer hunt without giving information to the village.

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06-29-2020 , 03:28 PM

#3177

jonnyd

hey guys

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,320

maybe they holstered bc we went v/v/v and v/v/w wagons or maybe atak couldnt submit

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06-29-2020 , 03:28 PM

#3178

aaronk56

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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27

That is what happened

Joat was night 3 and books was the wolf kill who was jailed.

Atak can’t be joat bc you blocked him that night

Actually he did nothing last night since he submitted an invalid action.

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06-29-2020 , 03:29 PM

#3179

jonnyd

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could also be why coordi fell on the sword d3 so we had no chance of going JOAT?

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06-29-2020 , 03:30 PM

#3180

Kukraprout

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If I did save two villagers in one night that's pretty much peak performance for a guy who doesnt know how his role works.

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06-29-2020 , 03:31 PM

#3181

VoraciousMother

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Day 5: Automated Votals from #3144 to #3180

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06-29-2020 , 03:35 PM

#3182

aaronk56

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Originally Posted by Kukraprout

If I did save two villagers in one night that's pretty much peak performance for a guy who doesnt know how his role works.

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06-29-2020 , 03:37 PM

#3183

Nicholasp27

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Originally Posted by aaronk56

Actually he did nothing last night since he submitted an invalid action.

Correct, last night atak wasn’t blocked last night

But he had one night of missing his shot and he made the first 2 nights and was blocked n3 so n4 would be his missed shot

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06-29-2020 , 03:38 PM

#3184

jonnyd

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Originally Posted by Kukraprout

If I did save two villagers in one night that's pretty much peak performance for a guy who doesnt know how his role works.

the mvp we deserve lol

and im not trying to throw shade.. this means that youre the only reason we are even playing today

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06-29-2020 , 03:38 PM

#3185

Nicholasp27

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Yep, great job kukra

Still have 3 more wolves to find, but saving 2 villas and outing a wolf in one night is great

And it’s actually good you messed up your role

If you had blocked different people the last 2 nights then we wouldn’t know which of the 2 is the vig

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06-29-2020 , 04:03 PM

#3186

atakdog

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Originally Posted by wdcbooks

Not my promised villagery post, but this is strange. If Atak knew he were blocked then why shut down your possible counter claim?

Because I have no powers. I have no counter claim; maybe I was blocked, but then I have no idea why a kill seems to be missing.

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06-29-2020 , 04:06 PM

#3187

YouKnowWho

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My understanding of WW mechanics is on par with Kukras role reading abilities - I am trying, but I just dont comprehend. From what I understand, this heavily implies that atak is a wolf, because wolves only got one kill, while atak was blocked? Can someone ELI5 exactly how all of this works?

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06-29-2020 , 04:06 PM

#3188

atakdog

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Voting me off the island is a loss. I haven't followed all the mechanics but if you're using a mechanical argument to justify voting me, there's an error in it.

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06-29-2020 , 04:12 PM

#3189

atakdog

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Wolf vig gets one kill randed as a miss. So if I were wolf vig and no kill happened, I wouldn't know I was blocked, but I would know it was possible. I wouldn't disclaim the possibility of being the blocker, in case an uncleared player turned out to be the blocker and I could have a claim/counterclaim fight.

I'm vanilla village.

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06-29-2020 , 04:17 PM

#3190

sixfour

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this is taking more time than it looks

sucks if kukra is the roleblocker, as probably the most clear person it doesn't add much

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06-29-2020 , 04:21 PM

#3191

atakdog

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I just looked over the roleset. (No, I hadn't looked carefully before.) I don't get it. If there were apparent wolf vig kills nights one and two, but none nights three and four, and the blocker blocked me nights three and four, then wtf. I have no explanation that sounds at all reasonable.

I think I'm left with either wolves submitted some night actions but not the block, which is implausible as an accident and weird fps to be pulling when they were cruising along so well; wolves actually blocked their own vigilante, but that would make sense only if there were village tracker who could see actions' targets; and

Yeah wtf.

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06-29-2020 , 04:22 PM

#3192

atakdog

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^ I meant wolves submitted night actions but not the vig kill. Still makes no sense.

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06-29-2020 , 04:26 PM

#3193

atakdog

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Doesn't look like the withdrawn power (mods' note this morning) could affect it either: the note says a player was "supposed to earn a power", which doesn't sound like it would apply to an extant vig kill. Plus it appears likely that the lost power was lost to the village, not the wolves.

I got nothin else.

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06-29-2020 , 04:28 PM

#3194

atakdog

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Kukra, you're 100% sure you submitted both nights? And targeted me?

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06-29-2020 , 04:34 PM

#3195

jonnyd

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kukraprout you said you left hints?

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06-29-2020 , 04:36 PM

#3196

VoraciousMother

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Day 5: Automated Votals from #3181 to #3195

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06-29-2020 , 04:36 PM

#3197

jonnyd

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eh nm if youre a wolf its gg anyway

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06-29-2020 , 04:37 PM

#3198

jonnyd

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if youre somehow a wolf* i should say. i dont even think its possible but my grasp of things doesnt leave me with enough confidence to say that with certainty

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06-29-2020 , 04:38 PM

#3199

jonnyd

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i suppose atak knows he cant win a thunderdome claim vs claim so he decided to take some sort of weird route

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06-29-2020 , 04:40 PM

#3200

atakdog

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Originally Posted by jonnyd

eh nm if youre a wolf its gg anyway

I thought kukra was clear, but I guess I was confused. Was just assuming he is village because he's uncountered.

Another possibility, maybe, is that the wolf vig targeted tokyo Friday night. I can't tell from the roleset writeups whether he would have left the game victorious after a third kill, if he was also targeted for death. Seems unlikely.

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