K. Thanks.

The lead wagons seem silly:

The number in parentheses is number of posts today, I think. That means that my wagon consists of a guy I'm defending and three people with a grand total of 15 posts, none of whom have provided any reasoning.

(There are 8 people in the game who have less than 10 posts today, including a guy who hasn't posted at all and a guy who's only posting dinosaur pictures.)

The wagon on luckbox is being led by ... dustin.

The wagon on shortline was started for bad reasons and has stuck for unknown reasons.

It feels like no one is trying.

I’m having a hard time reconciling that I find luckbox more villagery than shortline but that A) I also did yesterday and B) I think shortys wagon is much more pure

So this is where I’m at. And with my lack of confidence it doesn’t feel right to advocate strongly this eod so I’m considering just taking a backseat

The Gus wagon sketches me out and while I find him wolfy I do not think I will be joining that

if you don't like Dustin / Me / Gus wagons you don't have much time to CFD an alternative, since the wolves swing seven votes here and can pretty much stop any villager-driven wagon in its tracks

Game state and overall inactivity levels lead me to believe there won’t be a mass outing to derail a wolf lynch

Who would you rather wagon, gus? I'm surprised you dislike the Luckbox wagon in particular, since Luckbox = wolf was one of traz's strongest reads.

Traz can't read me on D1 even when I'm an actual wolf.

i would personally CFD any of:

dmk
coordi
sixfour
crackedquads

from my privileged position of knowing i'm a villager, it's obvious most of the wolves have gotten away with completely fading into the background today.

possible backgrounded wolves (people who will kick into active roles later game to sweep the leg) include:

Tokyo
YouKnowWho
Sun
Nich
Kukra

if neither Dustin or I is a wolf then wolves have basically had a free day to do nothing. but i think that actually might give us some info - we can look at the people who hung back when they should have been expressing more opinions and suspicion. those five names should have been the ones receiving pressure today.

the problem is we really should try to avoid lynching a villager today and it's starting to look very unlikely. the 24 hr chat is really troubling for that reason. tomorrow wolves will be dominant in thread unless vig and SK start to pull through.

if i end up the lynch for sure today i will be giving my best wolf reads to the SK so they can hopefully balance things out, because that's our best shot left

overall inactivity levels should be implying DADV (no need to interfere in thread) with possible stronger activity in wolf chat in the background

It's immaterial, I'm more curious about why gusmahler dislikes the current wagons and what wagons he'd prefer. I found it odd that he went to all that work to build a summary of traz's posts on the theory that he was NK'd for a reason and so they contain useful information, and then discards one of the primary pieces of information gotten from traz's posts.

Maybe a better way of asking is, gus, is there something that you think we should take away from traz's posts from the investigation you did earlier today?

I am now in the “despair” stage of playing werewolf.

You all do realize that Shorty and Luckbox are really good at this game and really good at talking people into things? I am sensing some desire to find some fourth random wagon which will undoubtedly be a villager.

Let me repeat. Shortline is a wolf. Luckbox almost certainly is. Gus I have no idea what you are doing trying to find a fourth wagon when you have substantial votes on your wagon led by a bunch of sketchy characters.

Crossnerd sort of clearing me seems bizarre. She's not wrong about "me being me"-- but it's one of those things that seems too correct. Not that she couldn't be making that read as a villager, but I think she'd still have some suspicion of me if she were actually a villager.

don't we just win if they do that?

I think Traz's strongest read was jonnyd, who is probably clear. But I guess luckbox was his next strongest read. Guess I should re-read.

I don't like the fact that luckbox is basically giving up.

and shouldn't shorty know that?

I'm liking these wagons.

Also this means I'm bad at villaging but I'm okay with that.

That random fourth wagon would be a glorious wolf but you guys won't let it happen.
And there is nothing about shorty's role that is tied to mine. I'm playing my obvious villager game abd shortline ought to know that having just wolfed me with. Yes, I'm clearing him. But it isn't a hard clear.

I'm posting as hard as I can.
Wtf?

No
No and . . . No

If you were a villager wolves would be hopping right on. There is plenty of evidence to allow them to do it with no suspicion at all. All of this reluctance and Luckbox throwing himself on the fire like a mini Joan of Arc speaks to how hard it is to kill you while the wolves are off trying to misclick a bunch of random people.

the level of activity in this thread would imply that any new wagon is going to die on the vine

Day 2: Automated Votals from #1912 to #1945

Luckbox Inc (6): Sun Tzu (30), jonnyd (26), Kukraprout (53), KruZe (7), Luckbox Inc (110), riverfish1 (8)
shortline99 (6): JDalla (30), dmk (43), Tokyo!! (42), wdcbooks (23), crackedquads (11), sixfour (4)
gusmahler (4): shortline99 (81), Nicholasp27 (4), coordi (8), Crossnerd (3)
Crossnerd (2): aaronk56 (20), atakdog (4)
KruZe (1): YouKnowWho (17)
coordi (1): Felix the Cat (23)
aaronk56 (1): mrs. jonnyd (14)
Not voting (3): biggerboat (0), gusmahler (20), UNVOTE (0)

Phase ends in 0h44m. Hammer at 12.

Vote history:

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Probably everyone is just a villager. Me/Shortline/Gus.

maybe i'm not understanding his post or yours

how do we win if wolves refuse to jump on any wolf wagons at the end of the day?

to dislodge the current wagons we likely need seven villager votes on a wolf. explain your perceived path to victory if Dustin and I are villagers?

oh, for gus from earlier: SPK = strong player kill, the idea that wolves should NK strong villagers earlier in the game instead of hunting for the seer/other power roles.

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My vote is still on coordi if the people demand a random 4th wagon. I don't sense that they do but I totally wouldn't object to it.

dustin you're still self-voting