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03-22-2010 , 08:43 PM
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Also, I was promised by blackize that a decision be made today (Monday night American time), since this has been dragging on since I sent my HH first thing after I finished my props. It SOUNDS like jalex might be wanting to do some further investigation, so I deserve to know why because I have no idea what is going on.
I made comment that we would likely have a decision by tonight.

Some things have come up that jalex and I are looking into. When we're done we'll release findings and a determination.
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03-22-2010 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PJo336
Pretty ******ed that you guys agree to terms with one judge then bring in more after the fact
Blackize is the final judge. Don't see what's wrong with him asking someone else for their opinion. He is just being thorough.
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03-22-2010 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by paratacus
I swear I dont know gary, I swear!
idk about that, seems like something else the judges can look into. can i appoint my own judge for this task? i don't trust jalex because he owns his own business
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03-22-2010 , 09:03 PM
Pretty shi**y that jalex comes into the thread acting like he owns it and auto takes over giving him the authority to decide whether OP wins or not, he's had nothing to do with this bet thus far so why get him in here now....
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03-22-2010 , 09:05 PM
he owns his own business irl. thats why.
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03-22-2010 , 09:26 PM
he owns his own business irl. thats why.
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03-22-2010 , 09:28 PM
and because we need more judges thats also why
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03-22-2010 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MEATBALLS ALLIN
Pretty shi**y that jalex comes into the thread acting like he owns it and auto takes over giving him the authority to decide whether OP wins or not, he's had nothing to do with this bet thus far so why get him in here now....
He was asked to help and I'm happy to have him here.
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03-22-2010 , 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MEATBALLS ALLIN
Pretty shi**y that jalex comes into the thread acting like he owns it and auto takes over giving him the authority to decide whether OP wins or not, he's had nothing to do with this bet thus far so why get him in here now....
i think its good someone stepped in to help make sure everything was legit, he seems very unbiased in the way he is handling things and he owns his own buisness IRL so he has to have some smarts about him
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03-22-2010 , 11:50 PM
Okay, so I might split this into a few posts because of the size...

First off, Blackize and I first discussed this yesterday about 4:30 pm on aim. That's the first I heard of anything, when he gave me the skinny. Initially, based on the QQ hand and the 86o hand, I was inclined to advise ruling in favor of Gary. Here was my thinking:I've had TONS of fish pull the same crap with the move up stakes and dump off money to me, so that by itself is not suspicious. Also, who would be STUPID enough to chipdump in this manner?
  • 3betting 86o is horrible and can't be justified, but I took at face value what was posted in the thread that he had 3bet bajunky alot. Post flop he played it fine, and I figured if they were dumping no reason they can't dump more by having breeezzz call turn.
  • The post to breeezzz CLAIMING to dump off money at 2/4nl. There's no proof of that so far anywhere, and ultimately it's irrelevant.
  • The fact that breeezzz 4 bet folds against another regular on another table.
So, that was the extent of my feedback to blackize last night. I told him I'd give him my recommendation this morning after looking at a couple more things....

So I got to work this morning and started drafting the post I posted earlier, intending to spell out the above, and I found something that was interesting, so I left my background and how I got involved, and continued to research....
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03-22-2010 , 11:53 PM
c'mon and ??????? things finally getting interesting!!
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03-22-2010 , 11:58 PM
this thread is going to kill my hands/hour right now :/
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03-23-2010 , 12:00 AM
The suspense is killing me
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03-23-2010 , 12:03 AM
brag : i have jalex on aim


beat : he's slow and wont tell me ****
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03-23-2010 , 12:07 AM
OMG I WANNA KNOW
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03-23-2010 , 12:09 AM
does the judge have the power to rule in favor of noone and give everyone their money back?
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03-23-2010 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by YaDaDaMeeN21
does the judge have the power to rule in favor of noone and give everyone their money back?
You've heard of the golden rule, haven't you? Whoever has the gold makes the rules
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03-23-2010 , 12:10 AM
Here begins the drama.......

So between searching on 2p2 and google, I find a few things that are interesting:



Hmm, so Nostalgica provided SOME amount of coaching to breeezzz. This find is what stopped me from posting this morning and encouraged me to continue searching.



  • So....now I'm wonder who the heck this RoSeeker is, so needless to say, I do some research and suspecd that he's Nostalgica! I PM a moderator to see if he will confirm, he won't confirm directly to me, but apparently he talked to that poster.
Post cliffnotes:

Nostalgica = ROSeeker. Nostalgica provided some amount of coaching to breeezzz as recently as after Thanksgiving.

At this point, this is suspicious enough to me that I'm ready to advise the bet as being a draw, return all funds. However, I'm still curious....



Last edited by Mike Haven; 03-27-2010 at 08:19 PM.
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03-23-2010 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by YaDaDaMeeN21
does the judge have the power to rule in favor of noone and give everyone their money back?
lol, how can he rule no one then give bettors there money back???

that means he rules in favour of the bettors!
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03-23-2010 , 12:12 AM
BOOOM HEADSHOT
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03-23-2010 , 12:13 AM
damn im good.
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03-23-2010 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Pocket Watch
As far as suggesting more judges I really do not have an opinion on this, I trust the judges in place will make the correct call.

To the people who didn't bet on this:

Your opinion on this matter has absolutely no merit at all. The only opinions that matter are the bettors, the judges, and Militia. If you think Militia cheated I don't care. If you think Militia won I don't care. There are judges for a reason, let them do their jobs. If your money was on the line in a prop bet you would want the same respect paid to you.
Pound sand. The integrity of fellow members of this community is being questioned. We all have a say.
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03-23-2010 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by IN THE OVEN
This thread is the new NVG.
What does NVG mean?
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03-23-2010 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by YaDaDaMeeN21
damn im good.
remind me to not watch a mystery movie with you...you'll ruin the ending!
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03-23-2010 , 12:24 AM
I still think money back is super weak. It either gives Gary a freeroll (if he wins legit he wins if he loses he gets someone to dump and even if caught still gets money back) or sets a really bad precedent where if something's shady with no concrete proof bettors can simply demand money back.
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