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03-23-2010 , 06:12 PM

#1301

hellokittery

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Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 94

woooooooooooooow wtf at those screenshots

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03-23-2010 , 06:12 PM

#1302

kaedin

grinder

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 463

Another StoppedClock hand, vs a random person.

StoppedClock raises CO to $6.

rocky rixy calls OTB with Ah3c

Flop is Ac Ks 9h, pot $15

Stopped C/Cs $2

Stopped calls.

Turn is 6c

check/check

River is Jd

Check/calls $8

Play seems bad from both. Gary wasn't at the table at this point. Shrug.

Does going through Stopped and Breeze's hands make a difference at this point? I think its clear from their play that they are fish, but do people care, or is it just assumed that they are leveling?

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03-23-2010 , 06:15 PM

#1303

grdred944

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Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,254

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Originally Posted by shamrock20

Completely grunching, I find it hilarious that this has erupted into a scandal when gary is seen trolling hard2tel here

Here is the first post and it carries on.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=680

LOL, yeah, I raised an eyebrow when I saw that one too.

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03-23-2010 , 06:35 PM

#1304

EddieOB

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lol....chip dumping on the mind?

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03-23-2010 , 06:38 PM

#1305

Slap My Jack

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Would like to thank jalexand42 for being an impartial arbitrator in this situation and neglecting his poor children to spend his time discovering that OP is a huge scumbag.

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03-23-2010 , 06:46 PM

#1306

Bad Beat Bill

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No idea if he cheated or not but posting up OP's hole cards and ENITRE 3-BET RANGE is in pretty bad taste

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03-23-2010 , 06:48 PM

#1307

hooheehaa

banned

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 270

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Originally Posted by Bad Beat Bill

No idea if he cheated or not but posting up OP's hole cards and ENITRE 3-BET RANGE is in pretty bad taste

i dont get people who complain about this. I guess now other regs know that sometimes gary will 3bet bluff from the blinds?

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03-23-2010 , 06:49 PM

#1308

Parlay Slow

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I'm worried about the fact that Stars's standard for definite proof of collusion is much higher then the standard that should actually be applied to decide the outcome of this wager.

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03-23-2010 , 06:50 PM

#1309

Malefiicus

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Who is going to exploit it? 1/2 regs on average are way too lazy/bad to use this information in a beneficial way.

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03-23-2010 , 06:52 PM

#1310

BrendanV

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 361

Ohh myy, now is there anyone who doubts he isn't a cheat?!
I'd be worried for the money that is escrowed to his friend, I think its like 1600 or soo.

If he's a cheat, more than likely he's a thief as well.

If he's truly innocent he'll get his buddy to transfer all escrowed funds to blacksize.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 03-27-2010 at 08:24 PM.

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03-23-2010 , 06:52 PM

#1311

Tamtaram

adept

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,064

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Originally Posted by jalexand42

Well you'd obviously need to check both his accounts. Here's the Nostalgica one, nothing has changed here...

.... screenshots removed....

However, if you compare the screenshot I took before I posted my information last night of RoSeeker (sadly I cropped this to show only the relationship to 00doug, my mistake, but I'm pretty sure there's no other changes to the list from last night):

.... screenshots removed....

This is why you do screenshots before you post things that people can erase the evidence....

this is proof that some people should have a license before entering the internet

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03-23-2010 , 06:57 PM

#1312

BLAABAR

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cant belive how good jalexand42 has investigated this. mega props. i feel sorry for gary if he is honest but the evidence is just crazy

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03-23-2010 , 07:02 PM

#1313

spacecakezzz

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,932

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Originally Posted by Parlay Slow

I'm worried about the fact that Stars's standard for definite proof of collusion is much higher then the standard that should actually be applied to decide the outcome of this wager.

i agree...jalex already had a possible solution. he said that money could be returned to bettors and then if stars deems collusion, gary's money given to bettors...if not that part is up to judge

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03-23-2010 , 07:04 PM

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Chaos_ult

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Wow the removal of the names is really really interesting.

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03-23-2010 , 07:05 PM

#1315

blackize

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Originally Posted by Gene Fish

i agree...jalex already had a possible solution. he said that money could be returned to bettors and then if stars deems collusion, gary's money given to bettors...if not that part is up to judge

I've considered this. It's still possible though that Stars finds information that clears Gary. Since presumably everyone is betting with money they can afford to lose, it shouldn't make much difference if it sits in limbo until we get a ruling from Stars.

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03-23-2010 , 07:06 PM

#1316

spacecakezzz

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yeah not at all..you should definitely hold it until we hear from stars

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03-23-2010 , 07:08 PM

#1317

spacecakezzz

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i also wonder if stars will consider some of the things jalex notices into their investigation or will they just strictly look at hands and transactions

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03-23-2010 , 07:09 PM

#1318

ItsOnlyChips

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Originally Posted by Into2ndWind

i stand by my theory that roseeker wanted to help his friend win and enlisted microstake donks to do it. I respect gary enough to think he wouldn't do this.

If it is determined that roseeker is involved, there is no chance gary didn't know. You honestly think roseeker would dump money simply to help a friend without any financial incentive to do it. This is not an insignificant sum of money to dump for someone who plays mostly 100nl. I think the estimates are around $1400 from previous posts (probably more since it is likely there are others that haven't been connected yet).

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Originally Posted by jalexand42

This is why you do screenshots before you post things that people can erase the evidence....

That is super shady stuff.

edit: jalex, great work on the investigation.

Last edited by ItsOnlyChips; 03-23-2010 at 07:14 PM. Reason: shoutout

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03-23-2010 , 07:11 PM

#1319

spacecakezzz

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,932

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Originally Posted by ItsOnlyChips

not to mention that they did just enough to win...if he needed more, maybe we would have seen more activity...who knows?

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03-23-2010 , 07:18 PM

#1320

blackize

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Dumped amount appears to be ~600. I don't believe the 3rd player was involved because we weren't able to link him to anyone and google turns up a history of playing donkishly(although that history is 3 years old).

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03-23-2010 , 07:19 PM

#1321

Biggy

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Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 267

Just make him re-do the bet if it's inconclusive, if he's guilty then he loses.

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03-23-2010 , 07:21 PM

#1322

spacecakezzz

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,932

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Originally Posted by Biggy

Just make him re-do the bet if it's inconclusive, if he's guilty then he loses.

if it's inconclusive, gary gets the money...redo is a bailout

plus i wouldn't ever trust him again with anything

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03-23-2010 , 07:31 PM

#1323

GTM0N3Y88

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 104

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Originally Posted by blackize

Dumped amount appears to be ~600. I don't believe the 3rd player was involved because we weren't able to link him to anyone and google turns up a history of playing donkishly(although that history is 3 years old).

whoa whoa so quick to jump to conclusion?? i thought your the judge? So you basically decided that gary should lose because you think op cheated even though theres still no solid evidence until stars do a investigation. I mean im not denying the possibility that op could have cheated, its definitely possible at this point probably 50/50. But honestly thats some terrible biased judging imo

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03-23-2010 , 07:35 PM

#1324

clyro

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 3,769

Is it not a factor that people seen this thread and joined Gary's tables because of that without ever having spoke to Gary...if that makes sense

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03-23-2010 , 07:35 PM

#1325

d_smith77

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Originally Posted by shamrock20

haha whoops. i lold

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Originally Posted by BrendanV

Ohh myy, now is there anyone who doubts he isn't a cheat?!
I'd be worried for the money that is escrowed to his friend, I think its like 1600 or soo.

If he's a cheat, more than likely he's a thief as well.

If he's truly innocent he'll get his buddy to transfer all escrowed funds to blacksize.

afaik this guy is a reputable msnl player, you dont have anything to worry about with escrowed funds im quite sure

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