oh snap.

cliffs: dont **** with jalexand42

jesus.

I'm sure you've already done this but seems like next step would be to check nostalgica's poker sns and see if he played any hands with Gary. Also what was the time frame for the J8o hand? Was it early or latish in the day?

jalex you are GOD.

lol omfg

link doesnt work.

damn

still, hope there's some more evidence though. could all just be a coincidence

replace the stars with pokertableratings then a .com

i deleted post...i guess u can't link to PTR on here????

just search for hands between militiarusha and stoppedclock

I'm laughing my ass off @ how hard jalexand just owned this thread.

Very well done.

some one is getting PWNT itt

ok well i've been a pretty adamant supporter of gary itt but def. looking like shady **** was going on. still hard to prove either way

OP is going to have a tough time explaining all of this.

lol obv worth the wait - sickness - If i bet on this I would be sooooo pissed.

Post Four:

So, as a result of the previous information above, Blackize and I went through the database and took a look at ALL the players that Gary won any significant money from....

• The player that Gary won the MOST from is: rongrong
• Let's take a gander at the evil site again:

• Let's again take a look at his session information:
  • First session he has played since August 2009 (which was at $100nl - 31 hands)
  • Again, a rando decides to come play THIS exact time and lose a ton to our hero, including the hand hero was excited enough to post about:

Ship it indeed. Unfortunately I was not able to find any other links between rongrong's sn and anyone else. Rongrong has 30 sng's on sharkscope with an avg stake of $22, so that's not strong evidence either.

Taken with the rest of the situation....


POST CLIFFNOTES: Another mystery man? You be the judge...


Post five to come when I've reviewed all the hand histories played against the mystery men.....

there is actually still a potential explanation but i think its terrible for anyone to post it itt at this point (until the accused parties post i mean).

lol even if he cheated, his irl friend has my money. so lol at me

blackize is escrow right? he said a few times he doesnt know him IRL so shouldnt have to worry abotu that

fwiw that hand while obviously ridiculously bad and no one who knew a thing about poker would ever make such a play, I see donks make that kind of play all the time where they pick up a small piece of the board and I have no idea if they're bluffing or vbetting or what they possibly think they get to fold etc. In fact I think Gary calling down there is probably fishier than a microstakes sng donk making that play. But obviously the real sketchy part is the fact that he is a friend of a friend of Gary's who just happens to play his only cash session where the buy-in is 100x his normal sng buy-in and it just happens to be the time Gary's doing the bet (and Gary's the one he has by far the most hands with) and it just happens that Gary is the one who wins the most money off of him. Any single piece of evidence and it looks like a coincidence but all this tied together looks extremely sketchy.

edit: the A3o vs. KJo one that was linked in PTR few posts up, started typing this before the last few got posted.

OMFG:

ILL ADMIT

i was skeptical of this guy at first

he wasn't that good

but the last few posts just blew my mind

this guy is innovative

no there were two escrows. i sent to barewire lol

I bet Gary stoked jalex was a late judge addition.

On a serious note this has really affected how I think about prop bets regardless of the outcome. I in the past have bet on quite a few of them, but the situation here is ugly on so many levels that its really makes me thing twice about them.

In terms of this bet I'm not sure anythings been proven yet but who knows maybe the damning evidence is coming in part 26.

omfg look at the hands rongrong lost to militia rusha 98o vs TT all in preflop and KQo vs AA all in preflop...come on...then the one jalex posts where they wait for the flush

that kk hand isn't fishy at all tbh, it actually looks like a how someone who is playing 200nl for the first time would play it.

only thing really fishy is the connections between roseeker/nostalgia and these random sng donks.