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wtf

lol @ doing it again, if the same thing happens next time if some donk shoves with nothing and OP having the a big hand, the same thing will be said

This thread is a joke, give the man his money and lock it.

I have given my opinion and while this won't add anything, it may brighten the mood. If Gary is innocent, which I think he is although there are obviously some doubts he has handled the situation with class. Also, pay him.

I've already said many times I was not gonna argue and have the judges do their job. And me denying collusion was pretty clear from the start, I don't want to have to repeat it again. I've already denied my connection with breeze once, there's no point of me repeatedly saying it again. But what can I do/say if judges rule that I have to redo it? Obv I wil be pretty upset, but what choice do I have?

Are you accusing me of being guilty srsly just because I suggest that I DIDNT MIND to HAVE to do it again? I was just empathising with the bettors perspective since I KNEW how shady this bet ended, with me being up only 17 dollars or w/e (ofc their gonna use w/e suspicious evidence to try to get their money back, I would do the same, even I accepted that long time ago), and even though I know Im innocent there's nothing I can do about it.

This. There's a strong case to be made for a hasty panic dump here - at 25k hands he was $1500 up and could pretty much fold his way across the finish line. Bet should have been over.

He thinks he's indestructible at that point and starts playing fast, loose and tired. Suddenly with just over 1k hands to go he's -$300 and running out of wiggle room and then as if by magic some microstakes donk takes a shot with T7 off and voila we're back on track.

As with Zach, I won't make any accusation, I have no interest in the bet, but the bettors have every right to ask for a stewards' enquiry here imo.

this

Sure am I guilty now just because I empathise with the bettors/

didnt' read the last 10 posts, but why has no one mentioned the obvious vultures would see prop bet, think AHA! Here fishy! and purposely join his tables to try to get some easy dough?
I wouldn't do this, but know plenty of people who would.

Post #663 is what I was talking about. Also I repeatedly said I'm not accusing you of being guilty just that I think it'd be a complete joke if the judges made you do it again and the fact that the judges have never even hinted at entertaining that option I mean idk what it's like to be put in a position of being accused of colluding when I didn't so I really don't know 100% sure how I'd react but post #663 just seems extremely odd, almost like you're saying you'll do it again to stop drawing attention to the investigation. I have no issue with any of your other posts in the thread and you've handled it mostly pretty well imo whether you're innocent or guilty and doing a good job of pretending you're innocent but post #663 is just mega-weird.

People are more likely to play higher limits than normal on a Friday night for two reasons;

Games are extra fishy and wont be full of solid regs

Alcohol

nobody innocent would ever say this.

also, people stop asking if this hand was the deciding factor. I know there are a lot of posts to read and you prob didn't read everything which is understandable. But #1 it was and #2, it doesn't matter...if he started cheating and got caught and stopped further cheating, he lost the bet...any type of cheating and he lost. I don't care if he won the prop by a million dollars...if he was cheating for one hand, he lost.

also gary, you are wrong...i would not be trying to win the bet if I thought everything was on the up and up. the fact that you say you would try to do the same thing is even more proof of your shady character.

i am positive if this went to a court of common sense we would win...if it goes to a court of "show me concrete proof", job well done...you prob win.

Pay dat man his monies.

Holy ****, I've had enough of this FINGER POINTING CRAP, I was keeping my emotions in becuase I thought all of you bettors have a right to contest it fair and square. BUT SRSLY, I said I DIDNT MIND REDOING IT (I was just responding to waht Slaughter said), not that I WANT TO redo it. WELL srsly no ****ing **** I DON't WANT TO DO IT, but I WILL if I MUST was my original point because there is NOTHING else I can do but abide by the decision. I've already done all my part without any issue and YOU ARE ALL pouncing on something I said that might imply that I'm guilty?!?!?!?!?

I honestly think I deserve to win it. Also, if you're so sure that there's something wrong, I can do an extra, bigger bet this time with judges and/or bettors watching me live/listen me live for a day to make sure, as long as I get the same odds.

DO NOT attack my integrity ever. I may be a losing poker player, but do not EVER attack my integrity base on w/e common sense you have.

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if i was innocent i would mind redoing it

Finally some anger

The guilty ones always remain calm...the innocent are calm at the start cos have nothing to worry about and then eventually snap

Ive had enough. Say w/e you wanan say. I'm just gonna wait for the judges decision.

Congrats on a nice scam.

I guess the old saying applies here 'if something seems to good to be true it usually is'. A long term losing donk offers a prop bet where he has to play a huge of hands in the space of one day and show a profit.

I can't understand why a donkey who (judging by ptr) is playing absolutely terrible the last 3 months and is on a 100BB downswing would even think of making this bet.

And nobody who is innocent in this situation would come out with a statement like 'I don't mind redoing it' when allegations of chip dumping were raised.

I'm so confused. The people that agreed to the bet knew there was some chance he'd win it, right? Or did everyone think they were just printing money? People ITT seem like they thought it was 'hey, first 10 people to sign up get free money!', and when they don't get the free money they are returning their la-z-boy chair because its neither lazy, nor a boy.

Main thing I agree with thats been posted recently: Gary, stop talking till the judges make their decision, other than admitting to cheating there's nothing you can say that will calm the bahh'ing masses at this point.

Everyone stop overanalyzing stuff and OPs post

Get more judges. Get judges that actually play 200 and 400nl.

Also for people saying he's a losing player not sure about OP but I think there are some losing players that would actually be +ev in a bet like this. Remember he only has to be positive 25% of the time for it to be +ev bet so if he's good at putting in volume and only slightly losing (assuming he's not huge donk or he'd likely be broke by now) it's perfectly reasonable that 25% of the time he'd be positive even if >50% he'd be negative.

Nuff said.

i'm positive you wouldn't win anywhere. you have not a shred of proof that he colluded with this guy, AND we have reason to think this microstakes guy is a tilter, as evidenced by the thread he created in BBV back in 2009. Furthermore, we have a statement from the microstakes player saying he did not collude and we have PTR hand histories of him going to another table after and playing higher stakes.

all you have is some suspicions based off timing because he was down 300 with 1k hands left. you are then seeing a non standard hand where this documented tilter shoves in T7o and then you jump to say chip dumping. i've won at 200NL for over 5.5PTBB last 120k hands. Newsflash: THERE ARE A LOT OF DONKS WHO DO STUPID ****. I CAN ATTEST TO THIS. i get a stacks donated to me by donks all the time.

i mean seriously, you think in a court of common sense one weird hand where someone jambos in 200 with T7o against an aggressive reg (which by his statement he seemed to know that info) is enough to condemn him? Where is your common sense?

isn't it possible that there is no connection between the two? and in a court of common sense you would just immediately condemn him and basically steal 7.5k from him.

also, people are like, why would this losing poker player make this bet etc etc etc... gary is big time under EV from what i know so he's not as big of a loser as you think.

my final point is this: If gary is as big of an angle shooter as you guys are saying, that he would chip dump to win this bet, why didn't he just fold to the finish line? He could have. It does seem relatively inconsistent that someone trying to angle shoot this bet would continue playing normally when he was up that much if he cared enough to find some donk to chip dump to him.

just give the guy his money. if anyone really thought he was going to play 30k hands without misplaying some himself or having bad players spaz, i don't even know what to tell you. in my past 100k hands between 100NL and 200NL i've probably had at least 20 hands where villain did something so inexplicably bad that it literally ends up looking like he was chipdumping to me. no, they're just ******s. it's possible that something underhanded went on but i'm simply not seeing strong enough evidence or patterns that should allow the judges to overturn it. everyone who bet should have been prepared for this sort of thing

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how can he know that info by playing only 4 hands with the guy?

anyway, you are right...unless i'm missing something, he's probably gonna win.

just stating my opinion