The blame is on the anti-Muslim sentiment, not Gellar. It's 2015. How does she live in a world where she thinks it's fine to pull off this stunt?

Because she gets paid a ****load of money. Big bucks in tha Islamaphobia game.

The difference here is that Geller is getting a lot of attention and there are people itt saying "what's the big deal?" There's a difference between an individual posting on a web page and a movement. Just because someone attacked her art show doesn't mean that she should be free from criticism and it doesn't mean that people saying she's some kind of free speech hero aren't utterly wrong.

Lol because the first amendment exists. Pathetic

And here is where the confusion comes in. Everyone is so trained to be knee-jerk against any type of discrimination they are afraid to side with the people who are actually right.

In this case the racists and bigots are correct, but for the wrong reasons.

Why should non-Muslims have their freedoms infringed upon because Muslims are "offended"? Should all non-Muslim females start wearing clothing Muslims feel appropriate next? I mean, we wouldn't want them to be "offended", would we?

What exactly should she be criticized for? For being a dumbass? Fine, maybe. There really isn't much else you could criticize her for in context of the show itself.

Many other people have shown support for things like "Draw Mohammed Day". Should the Charlie Hebdo writers be criticized for what they did before, you know, they were murdered? I'm sure many people like you would, until they got shot, then all of a sudden it's all roses and rainbows.

Maybe we'll put some sort of hashtag out there in show of support. ****ing pathetic.

The show is an example of her being a dumbass.

Why would someone being shot change the value of their expression or argument?

The bigots were within their rights, but were not right. The only person who was right in this story is the cop that killed those two guys.

You misunderstand. It's not that she can't pull it off without repercussion. It's that she believes Muslims are these vile creatures.

Exactly.

I'm just curious why Geller is anti-Islam and propagates Islamophobia. These aren't thugs or ****, heck they come here and embrace family/education moreso than the average American.

We are going in circles. They have a right to their opinion. Someone being offended doesn't make another person right or wrong. You (and many others) have some sort of sympathy for the shooters position. YOU are wrong. If this were done by Catholics or Mexicans or fat people, you'd be on the other side of it.

Which has nothing to do with it. Whether she's a bigot or not doesn't mean anything. Do you think the workers are Charlie Hebdo were bigots? Do you think it's possible to make drawings of the prophet and not be a bigot?

You guys are really dissapointing.

I am one of the many others you are referring to and I don't have any sympathy for the shooters nor do I think that Geller et al, actions provided any justification for the shooting.

I don't think you know me very well.

I'm not sympathetic to the shooters. I'm glad they're dead.

That doesn't mean Geller, and her Eurotrash fascist, aren't ****wads.

Maybe I'm just not as much of a bleeding heart as you. Neither *******s getting shot at, nor terrorists getting shot get my sympathy.

Maybe you have sympathy for the bigots' position.

It's all just a bunch of words "justification, sympathy, right, wrong" who gives a ****? The relevant political issue in the US is should the demonstration be legal and is should the terrorists be prosecuted (or shot during the act)?

Yes the demonstration should be legal
Yes the terrorists should be prosecuted or shot

Is anything else important at all?

If you're afraid to call them *******s because they got shot at, w/e, show your respect to the almost victims.

If you do not think that their actions "provided any justification" then how can they be partly responsible?

The racists are ****wads, but that has nothing to do with it. The KKK has rallies, do black people run up and start shooting at them? No. They have a counter protest. People don't have to resort to violence and intimidation over some sort of nonsensical belief.

I support free speech almost unconditionally. I don't believe in suppressing ideas. That's how free speech works. I think there are countless things people find offensive, in fact I find some things offensive. I think I understand that to have one you have to have the other. I wouldn't want anyone suppressing my ideas or my rights. If that means I have to be offended by a few things, it's a price I'd gladly pay.

It appears there are too many people who don't understand that. Really, no one cares if someone is offended. I'm offended by things all the time, I don't grab a ****ing gun and start shooting people.

Exactly.

Because they are distinct concepts. As an example, I do not believe that possession of cannabis for personal use ever justifies imprisonment. Should someone possess cannabis in a jurisdiction where they will be sent to jail then they are partially responsible for their imprisonment but it is still not justified.

It has plenty to do with it. If Gellar behaves like a rational human being, the country as a whole is better off. The islamophobes need to be shamed for their ridiculous stance. Just as racists and MRA's are.

I don't know about the workers at Hebdo, but I know the anti-Arab attitude is prevalent in Europe. I thought segregation was bad here, it doesn't even compare.

I alluded to it earlier but it's similar to police brutality and the criminality of the victim. The "he's no angel" bit is pretty obviously to highlight that there is no justification for police brutality regardless of the past criminality of the victim. Likewise the past a**holness of Geller does not justify any violence against her. There just isn't a way a group of people having their own meeting in private justifies violence. It's impossible. Regardless of what one thinks of the content of the meeting. Personally I can't stand Geller's message and think it's ineffective, hyperbolic, conspiratorial, and factually wrong, but she has every right to get her troglodites together for a meeting without fear of violence.

Wil is the same dude who got his fee fees in a bunch because someone ironically posted an azn stereotype. No one disagrees with you regarding free speech.

We will now be entering the wil-tastic portion of the thread from here until eternity. Please buckle your seatbelts and set your frustration-tolerance to maximum.

I agree entirely. What is interesting is that many who are particularly critical of my position here would be apportioning blame to the victims of police brutality in the name of personal responsibility.

This I thought interesting Rep. Pete King (R-NY)

Particularly.

Ahh, the old "bring up some old ****" routine.

When I say all you people are the same, it's the truth.

Actually there is a good reason. Locals don't want the 10% Muslim minority in their city. They've already protested perfectly peaceful Muslim gatherings in Garland, shouting stuff like "You're not Americans" and "Go Home!". To me that context has to factor in to the whole picture at least for something. I guarantee you context matters and always will to the targeted group in a spot like this.

I mean what if the KKK sponsored a symposium on the supposed inferior intelligence of black people in a town in Texas with a 10% black minority. Would anyone feel differently? Free speech right? There's nothing intrinsically offensive about discussing data.