Not quite the knockout blow but I do like the semi NYT irony here.



What progress can be made by hurting the feelings of millions?

Next up, why Catholicism is deficient!

lulz... in 2012 a protest got shut down by a mob in dearborn. Try again. I thought you lived so close to there?

Free speech campaigners concerned by Ed Miliband’s vow to ban ‘Islamophobia’- without defining what it means

Exposing and ridiculing dogma has been something western society has been doing for centuries now.

Millions of feelings were hurt when Darwin told them they evolved from monkeys.

Drawing Mohammad isn't the same obviously, but I would much rather protect the right to draw caricatures than the fact that someone gets offended by a drawing of a 7th century warlord because a book told them to get offended by it.

The reasoning behind it is "No Idol Worship", yet at the same time worshipping an Idol so much you get grossly offended by someone drawing that idol. I just hate the fact that we should validate that absurdity by telling everyone don't draw he'll get offended it you do.

You do realize there are many living victims of 9/11???

Really dumb is acting like 9/11 can't and won't happen again!

Oh and another thing, this is not what happened. ISIS claims that this was a planned attack. This wasn't a couple people simply being provoked. This was, according to ISIS, a group of people who trained and then planned an attack. Shocker, after posting garbage about southeast michigan, suspectdevice can't even describe what happened appropriately.

These attackers were not provoked by this demonstration. The guy had body armor and assault rifles. One of the guys had tried to go to Somalia to join Al-Shabab, the people who just murdered 147 school children for being Christian.

Whatever provoked these guys, legitimate or not, based on mental illness or whatever, it had already happened before anyone thought about this demonstration. These guys were going to do something, and perhaps the only good thing about what happened here is that these guys are no longer a threat to anyone. They were never just a threat to bigots.

And what?......they decided on you of all people to speak for them? Or you are just saying what you want and using them as some sort of rhetorical device?

9/11 can happen again, like other terrible things (OKC, Columbine etc) I don't really see cartoon drawing as super important in prevention.

This whole situation has been a positive for everyone involved except the dead guys and Muslims in Garland. Geert, Geller, ISIS, bigots, and religious nuts have all profited in some way.



Come to think of it, the dead guys are swimming in virgin poontang. Moderate Muslims got the worst of it.

lol atc, your garbage headline itt caused your reputation (big deal I know ) to take a hit.

We all lost.

Governments are passing even more comprehensive anti-terrorism bills. Patriot act for everybody now.

I tried the HuffPo strat for max clix.

so i guess if an imam declares that unmarried couples walking together is against islam, which it actually is, then boys and girls around the world walkiing together will be seen as provoking muslims and need to be stopped.

People who criticize Geller and the event: "While I agree with this guy's RIGHT to speech and assembly, he really should've known better than to PROVOKE the birmingham police."

and in response to the reply of "Are you comparing marching for civil rights with drawing a picture that offends millions of people?"....

NO, i'm not equating the MESSAGE of the two. but they ARE the same in that they should both be protected speech in america...REGARDLESS of who takes offense at it.

But you don't just agree with that guy's right to speech. You also agree with the content, don't you?

An important aspect that I think many gloss over is this: Geller and her group weren't standing in the front yards of Muslims, waiting for them to come out of their house, following them down their driveway, brandishing the cartoons in their faces. They didn't walk into mosques holding placards of the cartoons.

They held a private event where they exchanged ideas.

And they were targeted by savages because of those ideas.

That's scary. Whether you agree with those ideas or not. And it's mindblowingly depressing that ANYONE, other than the savages who sought to kill them because of it, would say things along the lines of "Well yeah, but...."

I don't think any American here has suggested the speech shouldn't be protected by the law. We're not lol-Euros. Not yet anyway.

oh we don't have any openly stating that, just a bunch of people asking questions, going out of their way to remind us that they are 'bad' and saying they share responsibility for getting shot.

I read the whole thread but I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. are you suggesting that it should matter if i DIDN'T agree with the content?

take the government out of it.

let's say a guy makes a speech in 1965 alabama (I dont' mean to pick on the south) advocating the right of interracial marriage. and some racist asswipe takes a potshot at him.

now let's say a person draws mohammed in 2015 and some jihadi asswipe takes a potshot at him.

it doesn't matter which speech is "more agreeable." the potshot reaction is the thing that should be condemned. not whether or not the person making the speech should've known that certain excitable people wouldnt like it.

LOL ikes, you could have just ended your post here but you had to derp on. Who here do you think wants drawing pictures of Mohammed to be illegal in USA#1? Name names please.

Pam Geller, who was one of the organizers of the Anti Muhammad drawing contest, plays a noted role in the Anti Muslim movement.




What is Fear, Inc.?

This in-depth investigation conducted by the Center for American Progress reveals a small, tightly networked group of misinformation experts guiding an effort that reaches millions of Americans through effective advocates, media partners, and grassroots organizing. This spreading of hate and misinformation primarily starts with six key people and their organizations, which are sustained by funding from a clutch of key foundations.

This website https://islamophobianetwork.com/ presents information from CAP’s 2011 widely read report “Fear, Inc. The Roots of the Islamophobia Network in America” and further augments the report by providing updated information on this network.

A copy of "Fear Inc., 2.0: The Islamophobia Network's Efforts to Manufacture Hate in America" that CAP released in February 2015 can also be found here. Fear, Inc. 2.0 provides an update to Fear, Inc. but also details the consequences of some of the failed counterterrorism policies advocated for by the Islamophobia network.

------The following looks into the Middle East Forum

The Middle East Forum, or MEF, is a conservative think tank founded by Daniel Pipes in 1990. According to the organization’s website, its mission is to “promote American interests in the Middle East and protect Western values from Middle Eastern threats.”

...

The forum had more than $4.6 million in revenue in 2012. It relies upon its publication, the Middle East Quarterly, and a network of monitoring programs - including Campus Watch, Islamist Watch, and the Legal Project - to inculcate fears of “militant Islam” and to monitor the people and organizations whose views contradict Pipes. This organization echoes the alarmist rhetoric of Daniel Pipes by branding Muslims, Sharia, and even the instruction of Arabic as affronts to American freedom.

The Middle East Forum is at the center of the Islamophobia network. MEF has received more than $12 million in funding from donors in the network since 2001, and in turn, it has donated funds to organizations featured in the Islamophobia network, including Zuhdi Jasser's American Islamic Forum for Democracy; Frank Gaffney's Center for Security Policy; Robert Spencer's Jihad Watch; and Steven Emerson's Investigative Project on Terrorism. From 2009 to 2012, the highest recipients of MEF funding have been Investigative Project on Terrorism ($1,409,585) and Center for Security Policy ($260,000).



Source: Center for American Progress research is based on 990s filed with the U.S. Internal Revenue Service.





-----The following looks into the Clarion Project

A nonprofit based in New York City, the Clarion Project - formerly the Clarion Fund - describes itself as an organization that seeks to “expos[e] the dangers of Islamic extremism." To further their efforts, the Clarion Project has produced several anti-Muslim films — most notably, “Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West,” "Iranium," and “The Third Jihad." According to the organization's tax filings, Clarion Project's revenue in 2012 was $1,374,578.

[I]Clarion Project is well known for receiving more than $17 million from Donors Capital Fund in 2008. The $17 million, provided by a single source helped pay for a DVD Clarion distributed called “Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West,” to more than 28 million swing-state voters before the 2008 presidential election. Donors Capital Fund continues to serve as the largest donor to Clarion.

A number of key players of the Islamophobia network serve on the advisory board of the Clarion Project, including Frank Gaffney, Zuhdi Jasser, and Daniel Pipes.


Source: Center for American Progress research is based on 990s filed with the U.S. Internal Revenue Service.

More can be found at https://islamophobianetwork.com/ A site which explores the small but well funded Anti Muslim material that comes from a number of organizations here in the USA.

Chowder,

The law should treat the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. the same as the murder of David Lynch ( http://www.splcenter.org/get-informe...-home-invasion), but I don't have to feel the same way about it.

I use those examples precisely because they are more extreme than your examples and I think make the general concept more clear.

"On the so-called Global War on Terrorism, GWOT, we have been quite clear along with a few other resolute souls. This should be a WAR AGAINST ISLAM and all Muslim faithful." -David Yerushalmi

Yerushalmi is also known for his record of anti-black and anti-immigrant bigotry. He once described "blacks as the most murderous of peoples."


Pam Geller associates with folks such as David Yerushalmi ^^ Not sure why there are a few folks itt seemingly praising Pam Geller, as quick research on the net will show one what Geller and other Anti Muslims have had to say. To each their own of course.

https://islamophobianetwork.com/misi...vid-yerushalmi

Its a shame when a fellow member of the Abrahamic religions such as David Yerushalmi goes against the values of their own religion.