Name one (or gtfo).

This isn't an either/or situation.

This.

No one is praising Geller or the would be killers.

Go back and look at my cartoon.

micro, I get where you're coming from, but to me your point is a baby step towards:

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it....unless I REALLY REALLY disagree with what you say, then, well, you're on your own and whatever happens, happens."

Thats quite a uppity attitude to have toward a post which had no mention of your name.

Read thru the thread my friend , you will have your answer.

1) You ain't my friend, Palooka.
2) As expected you can't name one.

I think it is.

If you DRAW A PICTURE of a historical/religious figure and post it on your Facebook page, and the picture angers me, and I, in response, go to your home and shoot you....the resulting conversation/reaction should SOLELY center on how I'm a maniac or a savage.

The minute you start saying , "Hey it's not either / or....yeah, shooting the artist was wrong, I'm not defending the shooter, but let's be honest, the artist was a real jerk, or the artist was looking to piss people off, or the artist was expressing antiquated, unpopular viewpoints...." well now you've opened the door (even unwittingly) for justification.

Louis,

Earlier itt some poster said Pam Geller ought to be praised, not vilified. That was merely one post of which stuck out to me, there could have been others.


I cant understand the few folks itt whom are adamantly suggesting that freedom of speech is so important wrt this case.

Would these same few folks adamantly support freedom of a speech if this thread was about a KKK meeting getting shot up?

Ya, they'd probably throw freedom of speech out the window for the KKK.

I think the first amendment is a crucial element of freedom and I would defend that, so no even the KKK should have a government protected right to speech, and if I were a cop, I'd consider it my duty to do that.

That doesn't mean I'll mourn for David Lynch.

Yes, of course.

Yes. A thousand times yes.

Someone says something you don't like. SO WHAT?

Someone has a meeting in their house where they express views that you, and most people in civilized society, find deplorable....TOO F--KING BAD.

You don't like what they're all about? Deal with it. Hold your own meetings. Call them out on facebook. Hand out flyers. It's a free country.

But the minute someone perpetrates violence against them and your reaction is along the lines of , "Well, they had bad ideas"....then you've opened the door for people to kick in YOUR DOOR and kick the s--t out of you because they didn't like what YOU had to say.

How do people not get this?

While in order to contest this you hold that a person standing minding their own business is no less responsible for being punched in the face than a person who goes round abusing people.

Are you suggesting that the Geller group, by having a private event that hosted DRAWINGS, "went around abusing people"?

It's called brigandage, they're like the KKK.

No. I am stating that they intentionally caused offence. Just as someone who goes round giving people abuse.

Ikes however has clearly stated that a person who goes round abusing people is no more responsible for being punched in the face than a person who doesn't. It seems strange to be on this side of a disagreement about personal responsibility with a conservative.

Do you know why they chose Garland to hold this event?

Also, do you know it wasn't just about drawings?

You're practically begging fly to come in here and be correct, which would suck.

"You got your feefees hurt when your betters said your were on #teamrape."

Or some such.

It's ok to call these bigots bigots. It's ok to ask questions about that rolling stone story. Obviously. Imo, you're reaching so hard to call people hypocrites that it's kind of like you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Or, maybe I'm way off base.

There's a MASSIVE difference between 'causing offense' and 'abusing people.'

ADD: And so what if they CAUSED OFFENSE? People are "offended" by lots of stuff. Who cares? I'm offended that Two and a Half Men was the #1 TV show for 7 straight years. (How in Jesus's name could people like that piece of crap?) Guess what? That's my problem. Do I get to punch someone in the face because they watched the show?

What else was it about? Did they DO ANYTHING other than congregate in a building and share ideas and drawings?

There's just nothing even remotely abusive about this event. No libel or slander took place. No specific person was targeted. No one was harmed. No one was threatened. It might whip up anti-muslim sentiment which could lead to violence, especially now that there was a terrorist attack, but that violence will be so far removed from this assembly that it cannot be considered culpable in any way. It is in no way akin to shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater. It is in no way akin to O'Reilly calling an abortion doctor "Tiller the Baby Killer" 50 times on air. It's just speech that you disagree with and find in poor taste, nothing more.

If it were a KKK rally, the case would be no different. It seems like it is in society's best interest to encourage hate groups to do their **** in public instead of pushing them underground. The war of ideas can be won by making your own case and shouting louder with a larger coalition, not by muzzling everyone who says something offensive.

And people who call Geller an ahole are doing just that. Trying to shout louder.

She's an ahole. I wish she'd stop.

The gunmen were homicidal maniacs, I'm glad they were shot.

Even Phill made a good point about the difference between satire and just being bigots although I doubt he gave the cartoonists credit for satire in the Charlie Hebdo thread.

You don't think people in this thread want to have laws against this type of assembly, or at least legal culpability or civil liability for the violence that results? The labour party candidate in the U.K. election has promised to "ban islamophobia" without declaring what islamophobia even is. Similar laws could be implemented in the U.S.

lol