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Originally Posted by np1235711
Cuse,
The Mueller Report seems to have put the "collusion with Russia" argument to bed for all but the many dead enders and drones here. Fantasies abound.... Comey and Strzok, et al are in more legal jeopardy than your President and his family.
It must suck to have to face the reality that a TV host beat one of the Ten Best Lawyers in America for the presidency..... and there ain't nuthin anyone can do about it for 2 more years.
Can you please elaborate as to how the Mueller report put the "collusion with Russia" argument to bed? Use your own words (don't just use quotes from Dear Leader/Sean/Tucker), cite pages in the report and explain in detail. Thanks! I think that could lead to some vigorous debate with a little bit of fun and leave us both more enlightened.
First of all, Mueller referenced the DOJ opinion that a sitting president cannot be indicted. As a result, Trump was never being indicted no matter what. Thus, the conclusion that no charges = exoneration is bogus.
Second, there is a difference between criminal conspiracy and layman's collusion. Basically the defense the right is falling back on is, "Well it wasn't illegal!"
Okay, that may or may not be true - it's the opinion of Trump's hand picked crony AG. However, if it's not, we need to update our laws... Because Trump and his campaign worked with a bunch of foreign intermediaries to collude with the Russian government. Their saving grace was a layer in between and ineptitude. The intent was there and the end result was there.
And by the way, most of us have been saying for quite some time now that Trump was never going down himself in this.
Yes, it does suck a great deal that this racist ******* gets to be president for two more years. It's depressing that he gets to keep trying to separate kids from their parents and locking them in cages. I guess some people may feel all warm and fuzzy inside about that, and actually support it, which makes them colossal pieces of **** who should **** off. I certainly hope you're not one of the people who feels that way, because I would hate to insult you!
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
I actually disagree with cuse, nixon wasn't brought down until after they actually did impeachment investigations/hearings. There's too many low info voters out there. There were a LOT of people saying Nixon was innocent/witch hunt (same **** nothing ever changes) and casuals just thought it was all partisan bickering until they actually did something.
Nixon didn't have Fox News, though.
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Originally Posted by wheatrich
It's interesting, people out here thinking they should run on policy when I don't believe the majority of voters give a **** at all about any of that. I'd guess they're better off with "trump bad don't vote for trump". Sure, don't make that the entire focus but I don't believe in "voters really care about x" when they've shown little sign of doing any of that ever.
Wasn't 2016 based around "Trump bad, don't vote for Trump?"
Wasn't 2018 based around policy?
Voters may not care about intricacies of policy, but they care about jobs/wages and healthcare. Tell them how you're going to improve their healthcare and put more money in their pocket, and convince them a vote for you is better than a vote for the other guy in those departments and you win.
The only ones who give a **** whether Trump is impeached/jailed/etc are always always always voting for you anyway. The danger is having the group that wants to hear about jobs/wages/healthcare think that instead of focusing on that stuff, you're focusing on presidential harassment. That's how you lose in 2020. The message will be, "The crazy radical leftist Dems are more interested in harassing our president than improving your jobs/wages/healthcare and keeping you safe."
That will stick if the next 12-18 months are about impeachment and investigations. Investigate him quietly, don't make a big deal about it, call it due diligence and push jobs/wages/healthcare constantly at every level.