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Old 04-07-2019, 03:58 PM   #13426
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Itís interesting how this thread is so liberal with everything but sex then itís lock step with boiler plate conservatives.


Nah i just dont pretend that dudes who cheat on their wives arent dishonest, scheming pieces of ****
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:01 PM   #13427
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Itís interesting how this thread is so liberal with everything but sex then itís lock step with boiler plate conservatives.
Infidelity in marriage is not just sex and there's difference between making fun of people who have a sex dungeon in their basement and trying to put them in an actual dungeon. I suppose it may not be totally cool either way, but it's not the same and your now-you're-just-like-the-Trumpkins bit is worn out.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:02 PM   #13428
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A strong moral foundation is part of the basis for forming the 99.9% you mention.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:03 PM   #13429
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Nah i just dont pretend that dudes who cheat on their wives arent dishonest, scheming pieces of ****
Nor do I. I just donít think it has anything to do with them being politicians.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:05 PM   #13430
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But you do seem to disagree that dishonest scheming pieces of **** are doing something immoral.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:06 PM   #13431
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A strong moral foundation is part of the basis for forming the 99.9% you mention.
Literally a quote from every conservative stump speech ever given.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:07 PM   #13432
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You think liberals are amoral?
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:08 PM   #13433
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When a politician is faced with a lobbyist representing large donors who want them to support the insertion of some last minute amendment into some huge unrelated piece of legislation, I'd prefer if the politician weren't a dishonest, scheming piece of ****.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:09 PM   #13434
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This absolutely absurd insistence that all these issues, such as Trump's unwillingness to release his taxes, were "legislated" away simply by the fact that he was elected is complete bull**** and needs to be shut down.

I'm about as frustrated as I can get hearing about what Democrats plan to do. Can't wait to stop hearing about all this stuff (security clearances shenanigans etc) as it is forgotten in some kind of drawn out legal battle. OH HEY IT'S ELECTION DAY 2020 SHOOT WE NEVER GOT HIS TAXES YET OR ANYTHING
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But you do seem to disagree that dishonest scheming pieces of **** are doing something immoral.
Yes I do. All dishonesty is not immoral. They are doing something dishonest to their partner. No doubt. But the only person effected are those two. This is why it has no bearing at all on their ability to do their job.

For the record, Iíve never been unfaithful because Iíve never been in a non-open relationship.
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You think liberals are amoral?
They are far more moral than conservatives at least in terms of how I define morality.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:11 PM   #13437
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Here's a question you should consider asking about someone before you trust them: are they trustworthy?

Crazy, huh.
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When a politician is faced with a lobbyist representing large donors who want them to support the insertion of some last minute amendment into some huge unrelated piece of legislation, I'd prefer if the politician weren't a dishonest, scheming piece of ****.
Me too as long as you add;

...regrading their role as keepers of the public trust and purse.
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:12 PM   #13439
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Here's a question you should consider asking about someone before you trust them: are they trustworthy?

Crazy, huh.
Everyone who has ever been unfaithful is untrustworthy from that point on? This is your standard?

Would you hire someone to install solar panels that has been unfaithful?
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:13 PM   #13440
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This could be amazing:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/07/polit...ent/index.html
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Me too as long as you add;

...regrading their role as keepers of the public trust and purse.
Are all of Trump's crooked deals as a developer irrelevant? His scam Trump University? His failure to pay sub-contractors?
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:17 PM   #13442
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Are all of Trump's crooked deals as a developer irrelevant? His scam Trump University? His failure to pay sub-contractors?
I donít understand your question. Those speak directly to his ability to be president. Which people he has ****ed does not, assuming said people consented.
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Everyone who has ever been unfaithful is untrustworthy from that point on? This is your standard?

Would you hire someone to install solar panels that has been unfaithful?
The first is changing the argument to the point that it's really in bad faith. It's a factor. It's not the only factor. And it's all a matter of degree. I wouldn't make a rule to never trust someone who has ______, where the blank is lots of things. They may have once stolen from me and I may trust them again. That doesn't mean stealing isn't a factor in whether or not I consider someone trustworthy.

As for the second, well, same as the first. Someone's honesty is a factor. I think I've literally hired a murderer before, so my standards for installing solar panels aren't necessarily the same as for electing public officials.
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I donít understand your question. Those speak directly to his ability to be president. Which people he has ****ed does not, assuming said people consented.
Why? He stole from some subcontrators and ripped off some suckers. What's that got to do with the public trust and purse?
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It says some of the criminal referrals are for lying to Congress so I'm assuming they are for Don Jr and Erik Prince right
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:27 PM   #13446
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Nor do I. I just donít think it has anything to do with them being politicians.
What the **** does cheating on their taxes have to do with it then?
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:30 PM   #13447
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What the **** does cheating on their taxes have to do with it then?
because it's illegal and cheating on your wife isn't? (just a wild guess)
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because it's illegal and cheating on your wife isn't? (just a wild guess)
For starters
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:36 PM   #13449
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Yes I do. All dishonesty is not immoral. They are doing something dishonest to their partner. No doubt. But the only person effected are those two. This is why it has no bearing at all on their ability to do their job.

For the record, I’ve never been unfaithful because I’ve never been in a non-open relationship.
The bolded is not accurate. There are mutual friends, sometimes kids, sometimes nieces and nephews and siblings and parents who deal with the fall out of a person who decides to make a promise and break it.

There are a ton of options besides cheating that are not dishonest beyond open relationships. Like, if you want to have other partners don't get married at all, or get a divorce, or talk to your spouse about making your relationship open. Having a secret affair is a selfish choice. Doing that multiple times is more than a mistake. Does it disqualify you from any measure of trust in any capacity? No, but when choosing to put someone in a position where they can be corrupted and cause harm it means something to me.

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Old 04-07-2019, 04:41 PM   #13450
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For starters
LOL. okay. The question was not name a difference between cheating on your spouse and cheating on your taxes. If the lawbreaking is the factor, then I guess sodomites need not apply in many states, either. Let's not even waste time with backpedaling on this one with all of the oppressive sexual laws on the books.

What does cheating on your taxes have to do with being a good politician based on the list you provided for qualifications? I bet, like, IDK, 50% of people cheat on their taxes!!11!
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