Originally Posted by otatop

I looked up 2011 to better compare with where we are in the current presidency:
"Republican Candidate" Extends Lead vs. Obama to 47% to 39% - 7/14/11

"Generic" Republican Continues to Lead Obama in 2012 Vote
Lead is 46% to 38% among registered voters - 10/14/11

Originally Posted by realDonaldTrump

Originally Posted by ScreaminAsian

lol imagine quoting jesse watters when trying to make a serious point

Originally Posted by cuserounder

So basically Trump is losing by less now than Obama was at this point in his presidency? I may need to rethink my last post...

Originally Posted by goofyballer

Do we have "generic D" polls right now? From what I recall, "generic X" polls a lot better than "specific member of X party".

Originally Posted by Johnny Truant

The majority of the country sees this as a football game and not much more. The casual fans think the die-hard fans are going to lament every bad call against their team and downplay every bad call in favor of their team because they just want the win. The casual fans are going to assume it evens out and that the bad calls are part of it, and only pay attention when the big game happens anyway. If they were interested in understanding politics at all they would already have a team they cared about enough to be well decided. So they will pick who to root for based on whatever the people close to them tell them their home team is and the uniform that they like best. I mean you take even the average left-leaning joe and tell them that there is no rule against taking meetings with Russians to get compromising info about an opponent, or setting up back channels, and in fact it is what every campaign does and they wouldn't know otherwise. I can see why it is a problem, but ffs, so is needing millions of dollars to fund a campaign and allowing corporations and lobbying groups to feed them and own the candidates and thus literally write the ****ing laws, and that is A-Okay.

For us real fans, we can rail if a ref missed the holding that allowed the other team to score, because we gotta, we just gotta. They will still get the ****ing points, though, even if we all can see it clearly on the replay.

The rules for the game are stupid af. Pretending it was ever about fairness or freedom or the American way or any of that **** is just stupidity at this point. The absurd and blatant contradictions to that are not new in the last 2 years.

Originally Posted by goofyballer

Do we have "generic D" polls right now? From what I recall, "generic X" polls a lot better than "specific member of X party".

Originally Posted by otatop

I looked up 2011 to better compare with where we are in the current presidency:
"Republican Candidate" Extends Lead vs. Obama to 47% to 39% - 7/14/11

"Generic" Republican Continues to Lead Obama in 2012 Vote
Lead is 46% to 38% among registered voters - 10/14/11

Originally Posted by otatop

I looked up 2011 to better compare with where we are in the current presidency:

"Republican Candidate" Extends Lead vs. Obama to 47% to 39% - 7/14/11



"Generic" Republican Continues to Lead Obama in 2012 Vote

Lead is 46% to 38% among registered voters - 10/14/11

Originally Posted by goofyballer

There's a fundamental difference between the parties though, I don't know if Dems can win by just employing the same tactics that Rs do.

Like, consider that a statement like "parties should come together and work out bipartisan solutions" probably has mainstream agreement in the Democratic Party, and like 1,000 people in the Republican Party who agree (and all live in suburban DC). Poisoning HRC worked because there was a ready audience for that stuff, but Trump is already radioactive to non-CHUDs, a little more poison isn't going to push them over the edge.

Originally Posted by crimedopay420

Well I don't know if Dems can win by not employing the same tactics. There's just a lot of people that aren't paying attention. Impeachment makes them think, "Oh wow, looks like Trump really did something wrong. I guess I won't vote for him again."

Plus it keeps Trump on defense and stresses him out. Maybe all that stress makes him eat himself to death. Or maybe he forgets to kill some brown people because he's tweeting about witch hunts. Lots of potential upside.

We can do this and still talk about free healthcare.

Originally Posted by simplicitus

Have been on hiatus from 2p2 for the two months, but just wanted to pop in. Plan to go back and read the last 200 posts or so.

My main issue is whether to impeach Trump, because he should be impeached, or let him continue to drag the GOP down. This whole thing has been a profile in cravenness; exposing all the liars and grifters who populate the GOP and administration. Even McGann just wanted to get Gorsuch and his ilk confirmed.

That said, Barr should be the first mofo impeached.

Trump should eventually be imprisoned and then drawn and quartered. If he never spends a day in prison it will be a massive failure for USA #1.