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Old 04-18-2019, 05:35 PM   #14626
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

lol imagine quoting jesse watters when trying to make a serious point
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:35 PM   #14627
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So basically Trump is losing by less now than Obama was at this point in his presidency? I may need to rethink my last post...
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:38 PM   #14628
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Mr. President, you're the greatest president we've ever had. Best ever. Way better than Vernon. You've never obstructed or colluded and that's why we all love you, and we all know your real approval rating is 99% and the other 1% are just haters and losers who don't appreciate your stunning good looks and always presidential behavior. The only thing I wish is that you would tweet a little more. Enjoy your second term! MAGA!

PS. - Please don't throw me in jail or kill me during your second all-powerful term for all the things I said about you before. I promise that when they get me at some anti-you protest, I'll have been there undercover trying to catch all the bad liberals who hate you for no reason. Just re-read this post if you think about jailing me, and it'll all be okay.
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:39 PM   #14629
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

I should probably bookmark that on my phone just in case I need to pull it up in a hurry in 2021.
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:40 PM   #14630
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lol imagine quoting jesse watters when trying to make a serious point
You laugh now... He's probably only a sexual assault allegation or a sponsor protest over white nationalism away from having his own prime time slot.
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:00 PM   #14631
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So basically Trump is losing by less now than Obama was at this point in his presidency? I may need to rethink my last post...
Do we have "generic D" polls right now? From what I recall, "generic X" polls a lot better than "specific member of X party".
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:14 PM   #14632
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Do we have "generic D" polls right now? From what I recall, "generic X" polls a lot better than "specific member of X party".
Generic Ballot is +6D at the moment. It was +1.4R this time in 2011, which was off by +2.6D vs Final.
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:18 PM   #14633
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The majority of the country sees this as a football game and not much more. The casual fans think the die-hard fans are going to lament every bad call against their team and downplay every bad call in favor of their team because they just want the win. The casual fans are going to assume it evens out and that the bad calls are part of it, and only pay attention when the big game happens anyway. If they were interested in understanding politics at all they would already have a team they cared about enough to be well decided. So they will pick who to root for based on whatever the people close to them tell them their home team is and the uniform that they like best. I mean you take even the average left-leaning joe and tell them that there is no rule against taking meetings with Russians to get compromising info about an opponent, or setting up back channels, and in fact it is what every campaign does and they wouldn't know otherwise. I can see why it is a problem, but ffs, so is needing millions of dollars to fund a campaign and allowing corporations and lobbying groups to feed them and own the candidates and thus literally write the ****ing laws, and that is A-Okay.

For us real fans, we can rail if a ref missed the holding that allowed the other team to score, because we gotta, we just gotta. They will still get the ****ing points, though, even if we all can see it clearly on the replay.

The rules for the game are stupid af. Pretending it was ever about fairness or freedom or the American way or any of that **** is just stupidity at this point. The absurd and blatant contradictions to that are not new in the last 2 years.
The good thing is that the supreme tilt from absurd refereeing decisions in every sport has numbed/prepared us for this.
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:29 PM   #14634
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:30 PM   #14635
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a vindication spectacular!
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:35 PM   #14636
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Do we have "generic D" polls right now? From what I recall, "generic X" polls a lot better than "specific member of X party".
This is correct, there was another Gallup poll I found a reference to where Obama was 5% behind "generic Republican" but was ahead of any actual named candidates but the link didn't show any names. This is the article.
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:39 PM   #14637
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So basically generic Dem vs Trump is ahead of where generic R vs Obama was at this time in his first term? Should I delete my sarcastic bootlicking?

Nah, still may need to bookmark that **** for when they try to throw me in jail for protesting or GOTV efforts. Might confuse his cronies enough to let me escape.
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:40 PM   #14638
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Thanks. I meant 2011.
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:41 PM   #14639
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I’d love to see research on this but I’d guess the correlation between polls at this point and presidential winner is like 0.15 or something.
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:59 PM   #14640
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We are at the “I did it and **** you” period
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Old 04-18-2019, 07:29 PM   #14641
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Old 04-18-2019, 07:32 PM   #14642
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Sounds like someone who is winning.
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Old 04-18-2019, 07:47 PM   #14643
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Old 04-18-2019, 07:50 PM   #14644
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There's a fundamental difference between the parties though, I don't know if Dems can win by just employing the same tactics that Rs do.

Like, consider that a statement like "parties should come together and work out bipartisan solutions" probably has mainstream agreement in the Democratic Party, and like 1,000 people in the Republican Party who agree (and all live in suburban DC). Poisoning HRC worked because there was a ready audience for that stuff, but Trump is already radioactive to non-CHUDs, a little more poison isn't going to push them over the edge.
Well I don't know if Dems can win by not employing the same tactics. There's just a lot of people that aren't paying attention. Impeachment makes them think, "Oh wow, looks like Trump really did something wrong. I guess I won't vote for him again."

Plus it keeps Trump on defense and stresses him out. Maybe all that stress makes him eat himself to death. Or maybe he forgets to kill some brown people because he's tweeting about witch hunts. Lots of potential upside.

We can do this and still talk about free healthcare.
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Old 04-18-2019, 07:52 PM   #14645
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Well I don't know if Dems can win by not employing the same tactics. There's just a lot of people that aren't paying attention. Impeachment makes them think, "Oh wow, looks like Trump really did something wrong. I guess I won't vote for him again."

Plus it keeps Trump on defense and stresses him out. Maybe all that stress makes him eat himself to death. Or maybe he forgets to kill some brown people because he's tweeting about witch hunts. Lots of potential upside.

We can do this and still talk about free healthcare.
If impeachment occurs, it'll be 24/7 impeachment just like it was once 24/7 collusion with Russia. It and Trump's ranting/tweeting will block out messages on health care and taxes which resonate with people.
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Old 04-18-2019, 07:56 PM   #14646
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Almost as if trump plans it that way. No I do not want to be involved in a 2 page detail about 4d chess.
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Old 04-18-2019, 08:12 PM   #14647
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Have been on hiatus from 2p2 for the two months, but just wanted to pop in. Plan to go back and read the last 200 posts or so.

My main issue is whether to impeach Trump, because he should be impeached, or let him continue to drag the GOP down. This whole thing has been a profile in cravenness; exposing all the liars and grifters who populate the GOP and administration. Even McGann just wanted to get Gorsuch and his ilk confirmed.

That said, Barr should be the first mofo impeached.

Trump should eventually be imprisoned and then drawn and quartered. If he never spends a day in prison it will be a massive failure for USA #1.
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Old 04-18-2019, 08:13 PM   #14648
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Got you libs there.
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Old 04-18-2019, 08:19 PM   #14649
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Have been on hiatus from 2p2 for the two months, but just wanted to pop in. Plan to go back and read the last 200 posts or so.

My main issue is whether to impeach Trump, because he should be impeached, or let him continue to drag the GOP down. This whole thing has been a profile in cravenness; exposing all the liars and grifters who populate the GOP and administration. Even McGann just wanted to get Gorsuch and his ilk confirmed.

That said, Barr should be the first mofo impeached.

Trump should eventually be imprisoned and then drawn and quartered. If he never spends a day in prison it will be a massive failure for USA #1.
Welcome back.

0% chance trump spends one minute in jail.
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Old 04-18-2019, 08:19 PM   #14650
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Trump is dead to rites on all kinds of financial crimes. Assuming the statutes of limitations will not have run by 2020, the only way he avoids prosecution is winning. Even he realizes this - gonna get ugly.
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