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Old 04-18-2019, 04:22 PM   #14601
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Re: The Presidency of Donald J. Trump: State of Emergency

Henry, see what I said above about how Trump can use the power of the office along with continued voter suppression going on. In a free/fair election, the Dems win in a landslide (almost) no matter what. I have no expectation of 2020 being a free/fair election.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:23 PM   #14602
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@Cuse.... That's the scary thing now, he has unlimited power with Barr at the helm. Its actually a scary thought what he will try/do, I feel for you peeps and wish you guys a Major break in going forward.
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Are you pricing in the DNP ****show as they try to block Bernie's nomination?
Yup. I think there's a scary-high probability that Bernie wins the primary but doesn't get to 50%, that it's not particularly close, and that they shaft him at the convention.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:29 PM   #14603
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The majority of the country sees this as a football game and not much more. The casual fans think the die-hard fans are going to lament every bad call against their team and downplay every bad call in favor of their team because they just want the win. The casual fans are going to assume it evens out and that the bad calls are part of it, and only pay attention when the big game happens anyway. If they were interested in understanding politics at all they would already have a team they cared about enough to be well decided. So they will pick who to root for based on whatever the people close to them tell them their home team is and the uniform that they like best. I mean you take even the average left-leaning joe and tell them that there is no rule against taking meetings with Russians to get compromising info about an opponent, or setting up back channels, and in fact it is what every campaign does and they wouldn't know otherwise. I can see why it is a problem, but ffs, so is needing millions of dollars to fund a campaign and allowing corporations and lobbying groups to feed them and own the candidates and thus literally write the ****ing laws, and that is A-Okay.

For us real fans, we can rail if a ref missed the holding that allowed the other team to score, because we gotta, we just gotta. They will still get the ****ing points, though, even if we all can see it clearly on the replay.

The rules for the game are stupid af. Pretending it was ever about fairness or freedom or the American way or any of that **** is just stupidity at this point. The absurd and blatant contradictions to that are not new in the last 2 years.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:29 PM   #14604
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OPEC ****ed us + Nixon Shock
Also the Bronx was burning, NYC was a graffiti-covered hellscape, the Hollywood sign was falling down, ****ty-ass astroturf stadiums with zero character went up everywhere, American cars were lucky to last 80k miles, every new building was some horribly ugly brutalist nightmare that literally scratched you if you touched it.

Paul McCartney released "Wonderful Christmastime".

It's like we just gave up on everything.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:33 PM   #14605
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Henry, see what I said above about how Trump can use the power of the office along with continued voter suppression going on. In a free/fair election, the Dems win in a landslide (almost) no matter what. I have no expectation of 2020 being a free/fair election.
Well Scott Walker wasn't able to stop himself from losing his only election since 1991, even with the legislature and the judiciary on his side. And Rick Snyder couldn't either. GA is screwed though. And probably FL too. I really think there's a decent chance at 269-269.

Trump, even if he loses, probably won't step down gracefully.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:34 PM   #14606
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I also donít think there is any evidence impeaching him will somehow hand him the election.
Nobody aside from politics nerds really cares about Mueller and Russian collusion. The polls show it doesn't connect well with voters because it doesn't have a tangible effect on their lives like health care and taxes do.

Impeachment will bring every deplorable out of the woodwork to vote while not upping turnout for the Dems.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:35 PM   #14607
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The only possible upside of 4 more years of Trump is that while it's easy for a sitting president to get re-elected - it seems like everyone is sick of them by year 6. Bush II lost a massive landslide in the year-6 midterms - and the economic crisis hadn't even started yet. People were just sick of seeing his face.

If Trump gets voted out, he retires to the sweet grift still super popular among his base. If he gets re-elected - yes he destroys the country - BUT, even the base will get kind of sick of him by year 6. So we have that going for us.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:36 PM   #14608
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Oh come on. The logical extension of this, that a Dem Congress can hypothetically run around for two years doing terrible things that everyone hates and then bear no blame whatsoever when the Dem presidential candidate loses, is plainly idiotic.

(plus, the job of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is not to get the president elected, did you mean the DNC?)
Yes dnc and that is not the logical extension of my argument that’s the Reductio ad Absurdum version of it. Of course they play a role, it’s just not suppose to be their primary goal.

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Old 04-18-2019, 04:37 PM   #14609
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I have no expectation of 2020 being a free/fair election.
Russia's going to go ham interfering wherever they can.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:37 PM   #14610
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What Bob said.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:38 PM   #14611
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:38 PM   #14612
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Russia's going to go ham interfering wherever they can.
Yup... and Israel... and Saudi Arabia... and God knows who else.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:54 PM   #14613
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Russia's going to go ham interfering wherever they can.
No question I fully expect Russia to be openly involved in collusion to an even greater degree than they were in 2016.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:55 PM   #14614
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Russia's going to go ham interfering wherever they can.

Do you think China will also ? They would be better off without Trump I think
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:55 PM   #14615
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Whitewater ended up as a sex scandal and BJ. People didn't give a **** about that.

Dems need to put Trump on trial and keep him there until the next election. Keep him occupied so he can't campaign. Reps put HClinton on trial for years with Bengazi bull**** to poison her name. Keep this **** in the news. Trump is going to get his 35-40% diehards. Make the bubble voter swallow REAL hard. It's

Dems are so weak they won't take the road even when it's laid out for them. Mueller smacked them across the face, telling them it's their Constitutional job, and they will still decline. If the Dems don't make their case, low information voters will figure there was no case to be made.
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:09 PM   #14616
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OPEC ****ed us + Nixon Shock
And Nixon, from the party of financial prudence, decided to pass the buck on dealing with inflation and left it to Carter/Volcker to raise the interest rates and take the temporary hit in order to get things under control.
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:14 PM   #14617
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Turned on Fox for like 30 seconds, the lower third was about how Mueller found no evidence of a crime by Trump, and they were discussing how the Dems were going to impeach for pure partisan gain.
What kind of content do you think Fox and Breitbart will be running during the election if there isn't an impeachment? I would guess that it's nonstop coverage of whatever Emails 2.0 turns out to be.
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:15 PM   #14618
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What kind of content do you think Fox and Breitbart will be running during the election if there isn't an impeachment? I would guess that it's nonstop coverage of whatever Emails 2.0 turns out to be.
**** they'll still roll with emails 1.0.
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:17 PM   #14619
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Dems need to put Trump on trial and keep him there until the next election. Keep him occupied so he can't campaign. Reps put HClinton on trial for years with Bengazi bull**** to poison her name. Keep this **** in the news.
There's a fundamental difference between the parties though, I don't know if Dems can win by just employing the same tactics that Rs do.

Like, consider that a statement like "parties should come together and work out bipartisan solutions" probably has mainstream agreement in the Democratic Party, and like 1,000 people in the Republican Party who agree (and all live in suburban DC). Poisoning HRC worked because there was a ready audience for that stuff, but Trump is already radioactive to non-CHUDs, a little more poison isn't going to push them over the edge.
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:20 PM   #14620
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I think Trump is probably a favorite to win re-election right now, all things considered.
Just curious if any old school politards know how Obummer was polling in Spring 2010 against various GOP contenders, cuz Trump consistently trails the Democrat right now by 3-7 points depending on who it is.
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:27 PM   #14621
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:31 PM   #14622
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What kind of content do you think Fox and Breitbart will be running during the election if there isn't an impeachment? I would guess that it's nonstop coverage of whatever Emails 2.0 turns out to be.
They'll be covering the investigation into the Democratic nominee for whatever Trump tells Barr to investigate him or her for, as well as accusing AOC of wanting to slaughter all of the cows.

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Just curious if any old school politards know how Obummer was polling in Spring 2010 against various GOP contenders, cuz Trump consistently trails the Democrat right now by 3-7 points depending on who it is.
I don't remember, but I don't think the polling matters much yet. I fully expect the Democratic nominee to lead Trump handily once the primary is wrapped up... I'm worried about voter suppression, the aforementioned bogus investigation, and collusion 2.0.
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:32 PM   #14623
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:34 PM   #14624
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Just curious if any old school politards know how Obummer was polling in Spring 2010 against various GOP contenders, cuz Trump consistently trails the Democrat right now by 3-7 points depending on who it is.
I looked up 2011 to better compare with where we are in the current presidency:
"Republican Candidate" Extends Lead vs. Obama to 47% to 39% - 7/14/11

"Generic" Republican Continues to Lead Obama in 2012 Vote
Lead is 46% to 38% among registered voters
- 10/14/11
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"I chose not to."

More like Don McGahn chose not to.
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