"'This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,' said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations."

Newsflash people in general are selfish. That's like asking a dog not to bark.

Is it also selfish that I wouldn't trade places with any of the victims. Too bad I won't because I admit I'm selfish.

The last few pages were pretty misogynistic but until then he had more racist comments than misogynistic ones.

The main reason this happened was that he had a delusional belief that he should be Chuck Bass. He just felt he should be rich, that women should want him, that everyone should be in awe of how much better than everyone he was. This despite being from a middle-class family and being a complete failure at everything he tried which wasn't much. The way he convinced himself of his superiority was pretty delusional reasoning and the lack of a trophy girlfriend brought into question his belief in his superiority to everyone so he fixated on that.

The second biggest factor was WoW. Pre-video games he was struggling but also trying to do stuff to fit in and he had some limited success -- so much so that he was invited to two popular kids birthday parties. It was a struggle and he was putting in a lot of effort for the gains he was making but had he kept it up it would have become easier and he would have been closer to normal. Getting into WoW destroyed all his gains and pretty much out him in a position where for someone as inept as he was he really didn't have a chance to rejoin society years down the road.

The family really did everything they could -- they tried to socialize him young, they tried to get him to go play with people rather than video games, they sent him to see a psychiatrist when young and again when he struggled at university. The got him a life coach / social skills instructor after he flunked out of community college the first time. They got him him a second social skills coach and an additional male and female person to do stuff with and learn social skills. They were even going to send him to Morocco I think because they felt it would be harder for people to detect he was a weirdo and because being American he might be more desirable for girls.

The family was not rich -- he mostly had whatever he wanted but all very reasonable and modest wants. The BMW was a late addition and something they got him after he had already decided to go on a killing spree. Parents divorced -- dad remarried and mom dated but never remarried. He felt his mom should have married one of the rich guys she dated (especially Jack worth $500MM) even if she didn't want to so that he could have his destiny of being from an upper-class family.

There was an escalation -- he would feel a lot of anger towards couples and his first attack was throwing coffee at a guy with a girlfriend he supposedly did not deserve outside of Starbucks. A bit later he stopped at a light and smiled at two girls who didn't acknowledge him so he drove around the block and then threw his coffee at them. Throwing drinks at people is a big thing for him. He has to stop himself from doing it a lot. These become really escalated when at the park he see a mixed group having fun and he hates it so much he goes to a department store to buy a supersoaker and fills it with OJ and attacks them with it.

His original plan was much more elaborate. He was going to kill his roommates in their sleep with a knife -- he needed the apartment to himself so he could lure guys to his apartment and torture and kill them. The better looking they were the more he pain he wanted to inflict. He was going to cut their heads off and save them for a later stage of his revenge.

After that he would drive to his dad's house and kill his brother and step-mom. He used to really like his much younger step-brother when the kid was so young that he idolized his older bother but the kid was developing social skills and was going to be in a commercial. The idea that his kid brother would be popular, have sex, and maybe be an actor was unacceptable. He had to kill him to prevent the bother from surpassing him.

After he would take his Dad's SUV since it would be better than the BMW to run people over and go to the Seniority house and kill all the girls. He would then go to the party district and shoot up a house party. Then he would throw the heads from the people he killed before. This would make them realize his superiority He would then proceed to kill as many people as he could through a combination of shooting and running them over. When the police arrived he was going to take a lethal dose of valium and then shoot himself in the head with two guns simultaneously.

The closest he came to actually trying was a week before his 22nd birthday he went to a party drunk. He quickly got into a conflict with an Asian who had a girl. He had convinced himself that one of the reasons he couldn't get girls was because he was half-Asian but faced with an example that proved his excuse bull**** he lost it. After the conflict he went to some ledge to be alone but soon there were guys and girls there flirting with each other. It seems like he tried to neg and got made fun of so tried to push the girls off the ledge. Instead one of the guys threw him off the ledge shattering his leg. He could hardly walk but had lost his Gucci glasses so tried to go back to recover those and got the **** beat out of him. Dad had to come get him and take him to hospital. The rest of his attempts was basically walking, driving or sitting around in public waiting for a girl to talk to him.

His other big solution was winning the lottery. He felt he was destined to win it. It didn't help that his dad gave him The Secret which is really the only negative I can say about the parents. He tried to use the law of attraction to win the lottery and was devastated when it didn't work.

He had a friend James that was in his life from Grade 1. James was also a WoW playing virgin. At 17 they had a falling out because after karate he would tell James about his weird revenge fantasies and James found them too disturbing. He quit karate after that and they stopped being friend but then started again only to have the pattern repeat itself. James thought Elliot was unstable and Elliot thought James was weak for not feeling anger towards all couples.

Beyond James he had two other friends Philip and Addison. Addison and him had a lot of conflicts when Addison started having success with women and being popular but they reconciled. Addison seemed to know Elliot was going to snap and do something like this.

I thought the videos were an attempt to get a girl to respond and he admits to this in his manifesto. He also talks about 7 cops showing up after his mom called the cops because of the videos. I don't understand how you respond with 7 officers and then just get talked out of pursuing the issue -- had they they would have found the guns and the crazy writing.

There is a big difference in scapegoating a tragedy to push your personal (selfish) agenda, than admitting you are doing something selfishly. I can respect you for admitting you are selfish in a particular area, than pretending you are not, in the guise of some justice.

That may be, but regardless of why you hate women, it's still sexism, which was the point I was making.

Everyone's trying to be an armchair psychiatrist and diagnose what's wrong with him.

The simplest answer is....

Checked out his site to see what he was up to....


Elliot Rodger Liberal Fan of Far-Left “Young Turks” YouTube Show

Did Elliot trigger the yeswomen movement?

He didn't hate women -- he hated humanity. Before joining PUAHate the majority of his anger was directed at men. He felt some hate towards women as well but the focus was men who he saw as undeserving of the women. After he joined PUAHate the misogyny started showing up but he had already decided to go on a killing spree before that.

It appears that this guy harbored every type of "ism." Why is it so important in your head to (repeatedly) single out sexism?

Also, why do you talk like this complete psychopath is some kind of yard stick to measure sexism in general? Everybody in the world will agree that this guy is 100% certifiable, so why are you on such a crusade in this thread?

Yes, he did, and welcome to the forums Mr. Morgan.

This is a post of mine from another thread:

I don't disagree with this.

That's gracious of you, I thought you would disagree.

I haven't brought it up once IIRC. I only respond to those that do bring it up, and do so in a dismissive manner.

I don't mean to talk that way. I'm much more concerned with the potential sexism of the posters I respond to. I do it because I hate sexism.

But wasn't his anger toward men due to the fact that they could get the women he felt entitled to simply because he existed?

My ex wife texted me saying I would kill 100 people if I was still a virgin.

Nevermind the fact that when we were still married and she hit me in the chest with a closed fist punch during an argument that I didn't lay a finger against her in retalliation.

It was because they had a better life than him which he mostly equated with them having a girls but it wasn't because they had a particular girl that he felt entitled to. He hated them because they were members of the club of men who could do something he couldn't. He was going to kill his bother who wouldn't have sex until after Elliot was dead.

His hate also manifested in other scenarios where there were no women involved. He wanted to kill everyone at the private Katy Perry put on by Net Jet. They got their tickets from a friend of the family who was rich but he assumed everyone else there was rich and he hated them for it. He wanted to torture and kill all of them

He hated his WoW friends for being better at WoW than him and would take it out on them in their game play.

He hated a kid at karate because even though he was younger he was advancing though the belt ranks faster.

Having a girl was a major part of his thinking because at his age and in his environment that is the primary metric by which peers measure each success. If he had somehow made it to adulthood he would have had a much broader range of things to hate people over.

Good analysis, thanks.

If ER didn't save his brother's life, would the overarching guilt cause him to have less sociopathic tendencies?

This guy was barely capable of feeling guilt. He repeatedly lied and did all sorts of immoral things without any ounce of guilt, only fear of being caught.

I say barely because he may have had slight shreds of humanity left. He expressed difficulty at the thought of killing his brother, and was seriously troubled by the thought of killing his father. Note that he still planned to do both of these things though (the father only if necessary, not because he wanted to).

No remorse whatsoever for most things. At one point when the boys pushed him off the ledge and he broke his leg (bear in mind this is after he started it by trying to push the girls off the ledge unprovoked), the police came to investigate. He nonchalantly lied about what happened and wanted the police to pursue action against the other people. He was disappointed when they didn't, because "they had a different version of events". Yeah, their version was probably what actually happened. He was DISAPPOINTED. When he knew he was the guilty party.

He was close to incapable of feeling guilt, and only then involving those who were involved with him in early life. He still had absolutely no qualms about repeatedly lying to his parents and taking advantage of them in any way possible, with no indication to the reader that he considers this behavior wrong.

As a narcissist, I can guarantee you he wrote that holywalloftext so people would sit around on internet boards trying to psychoanalyze him like you're doing here. It's his ultimate fantasy. So, I won't read it and won't devote it another shred of thought from this point on. I recommend you guys do the same.

The only positive thing to be gained here is to try to figure out what happened in this kid's life to breed such a severe megalomania, and if we can try to prevent such a thing from happening to other people, if that's even possible. But I doubt that can be gleaned from anything this psychopath wrote.

He would hate himself for missing the opportunity to be a hero and important. I would bet he is overstating what he actually did. I believe something happened and even that he jumped into the water but I doubt his brother would have died otherwise.

I took that specific incident as a general pattern that ER saw in his life, that he was awesome, but people couldn't see it. That he was this perfect gentleman, who was brilliant and beautiful, but no one around him recognized it. He heroically saves this kid from drowning, but no one is there to witness it. Just more proof that the world doesn't see his superiority.

Even his description of the event is bizarre, focusing on the fact that he saved him, and the kid owes him everything he will ever accomplish, but not showing any concern for him physically.