LOL catlax.

Righhhttt.....and how do you suppose you limit his access to guns? By making them easier to get? Geez.

So you've been gun shopping before?

ITT catlax understands that certain people shouldn't have easy access to guns but doesn't want to make it harder to obtain.

The NRA in a nutshell.

You could limit his access in a lot of ways. But if they were easier to get or if everyone had one it might be a good thing. Then someone wouldn't have or feel they had such an advantage if they had a gun. People wouldn't plan shooting rampages if everyone had a gun because they wouldn't make it very far.

But guns are available for everyone, yet not everyone has one.. sigh. Do you want to make gun ownership mandatory or something?

Why do you hate the NRA so much? Did you used to work there and get fired?

Right. These suicidal shooters wouldn't shoot people in the first place because they are worried about getting shot. Good lord man, think about what you are saying.

Oh and limiting his access is called gun control. LOL.

The real issue is that a lot of Americans are crazy and end up killing a lot of people, something that is rare to non-existent in some other countries (eg. Australia) that also have many mentally ill people.

They aren't legally available for everyone. I just want it to be optional like it always has been.

omg, this stuff is gold.

I thought you said it didn't matter since criminals don't follow the law anyway?

And it's the same percentage of people. It's not like gun crimes in America are high because 50% of Americans are crazy while 1% of Australians are crazy.

Holy ****.

if the punishment for possessing an illegal gun is high enough you'd see substantial change

if it was say 20yr min, it'd pretty much only be people in very specific crime like drug trafficking that would have them illegally

I'm not usually the 'it were dem gunz' kind of lib, especially because I live in a country where guns are illegal and instead we see knife attacks, bombings and yes, even shootings. I have to say though in this particular case with this type of perp, this attack would have been much less likely, if not impossible, without guns. This guy used a hand gun, not a rifle, not grenades. I doubt without easy access to guns he could source one or do a knife attack or bombing. I'm not saying this makes a case for banning or restricting the sale or ownership of firearms, but I do think if you are a gun rights activist then you have to acknowledge and accept the downsides and dangers of gun availability, and not just pretend that it never has anything to do with guns.

Why have drivers licenses, will it stop the criminals?

Gun licensing, often very strict, is the norm in other developed countries. Statistics show that there is a clear correlation between availability of guns and number of violent deaths in society.

I can understand that America has its gun culture, and you may want to keep more lax gun laws than most other countries, but do not pretend that restricting gun access to mentally ill people or otherwise unsuitable people is futile. It is not and it will save lives.

As someone from a country that has basically no gun culture (I've never seen a gun in real life other than on a police officer), this sort of thought process blows my mind.

Hardly anyone believes that anymore, I hope.

nys is 3 years. That is a pretty high punishment. 20 year minimum? You can't be serious.

You'd be rewriting how judges hand out sentences. Can't give a rapist less than a guy who was in possession of a gun, etc etc.

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as far as "easy access to guns"- please go through the NYS wringer for obtaining a firearm and let me know how easy it is. The overwhelming majority of gun crime in this country involves illegal weapons. No amount of legislation and barriers is going to stop the underground weapon trafficking since those customers do not care about background checks and the like.
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as with all these stories i'm always just baffled at the media and public reaction.

guns- let's ban the tool because the bat**** whacky loser decided to misuse it.

media- absolutely disgusts me how turned on the media and public gets for a story about this. Airing his manifesto, reprinting it- glorifying this mutt so that other losers can see how they will be immortalized by going off and taking a bunch with them.

it's very irresponsible of the media push through all the material that they have been on this kid.

he was a nobody, loser, nothing in life and should be remembered the same way in death. His shallow selfish early 20 something self aggrandizing whining should not be even heard, much less considered or studied.

Coming from a similar background, I agree it is absolute insanity.

A 19 year old in Texas faces life in prison because the cops weighed his brownies used with hash oil. Don't act like stiff gun sentences can't occur.

well texas is basically hell on earth and completely backwards, so lets not go basing our gun control logic around what texas does.

nice side blurb- can i see the rest of his arrest record?


stiffer gun sentences can occur but they're not exactly practical/reasonable. Is 20 years for a gun possession charge reasonable when murder, manslaughter, armed robbery, rape etc carry lesser sentences (circumstances can bring murder above/below the 20 threshold we're discussing).

Does the physical possession of a gun damage society more than molesting a child? These are concepts you have to confront when you think that tossing someone in prison for 20 years is a viable path to correct this issue.

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Loved his story about him trying to throw people off a 10 foot ledge, then whining about nobody helping him after they threw him off. LOL.

"A dark, hate-fueled rage overcame my entire being, and I tried to push as many of them as I could from the 10-foot ledge. My main target was the girls. I failed to push any of them from the ledge, and the boys started to push me, which resulted in me being the one to fall onto the street. When I landed, I felt a snap in my ankle, followed by a stinging pain. The worst part of the ordeal was not getting beaten up, oh no. It was the fact that no one showed any concern.... Not one girl offered to help me as I stumbled home with a broken leg, beaten and bloody. If girls had been attracted to me, they would have offered to walk me to my room and take care of me. They would have even offered to sleep with me to make me feel better."

"I did try to push girls off a ledge and threatened to kill all of those people"