https://www.youtube.com/user/ElliotRodger/videos

Plus the one where he says he is going to kill people, YouTube pulled that one from his channel but it is around if you search

Sure, it's a lot of contributing factors. Kids who don't have psychological issues and play video games obsessively will be behind socially, but they have the tools available to adapt and catch back up (if they choose to). This case there are thousands of little things that all add up and end up with him going on his rampage. Take any few of those little things and it rarely ends in that. Add them all together, and it does more frequently.

When playing things like WoW, you are missing a lot of social skills like picking up on body language and cues, though. And dealing with the opposite sex. It's still better than sitting there playing a solo game in terms of socialization.

Where?

Not as many play 14-hours a day in an all-consuming way. And most people I know who did are pretty big weirdos.

lol this guy should've taken a page out of this kid's book

They seem to have taken down PUAHate.com and their twitter is gone as well.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Valtharion

This is one of the many exchanges that puzzled me:

Random poster: "The beginning of this video gave me quite a boner....I have no life. Time to play more world of warcraft and dream of the life I wish I had."

Elliot/Valtharion: "Your way of thinking is so depressing."

dude's jimmies were permarustled

Sad thread RIP these poor people and thoughts go to the families and friends....can you imagine being loved up at 20 with your new hot gf and this ****stain comes along and intentionally shoots her for no reason?

I understand the symphathy towards his world views and experiences but direct it on to people you already know that you suspect suffer from illnesses / social awkardness etc - **** this POS and get him off the news already.

It has to be him

Is into WoW, Game of Thrones, Star Wars, and Diablo3 which covers a lot of people but also he is

half-Asian
claims to have a M5 which is just his self-esteem issues but still a BMW
elitist
racist
Openly admits liking Nickleback's music. Also has Kesha and Cascadia in common.
into the law of attraction
into the last airbender
has the same unfairness / unjust tone
The character he related to in Game of Thrones if Joffery
His obsession with the size and number of rooms a house has.

This must have had him crying for hours.




obv

Banned, piers:

Just based on those excerpts it wouldn't surprise me if those were him talking to himself.

Nickelback. That answers alot of questions.

whoa just found out one of my really close friends is one of the main girls he writes about in the manifesto.... ughh i feel horrible for her

He said he kept Facebook stalking accounts. What for? It isn't like linkedin where people know you viewed their profile.

People he was stalking probably wouldn't have added his real account.

I wish people would just let the authorities and psychologists and stuff watch and obsess over these crazies manifestos and videos.

I'm of the opinion that a large part of the motivation of these killings is the media coverage and attention they generate and many experts agree. The killers know they'll be all over the news, their face will be all over the place, people will be talking about them for days, etc.

I mean, they make these videos and writings knowing that people are gonna be reading them after the killings. Reading them is kind of giving them exactly what they want.

I know the train wreck effect is hard to pass up, but there's some other crazies out there right now seeing this aftermath and getting jived up on all the press they're gonna get after they do their thing.

It's funny to me that you go ahead and give your armchair-psychologist bull**** after saying that. It doesn't surprise me though since you're in the posters that are always wrong camp along with the likes of hardball.

Psychologists are wrong a lot of the time anyway. I'm never going to believe the "anyone can join a cult, members are just like you" bull****!

I don't think authorities or psychs can do that much. Crazy people are going to do crazy things.

It's clear to me your attitude is you're going to believe whatever the F you want no matter what anyone says because that makes it easiest to justify doing whatever the f you want.

You sound like every other jackass on the internet, dismissing people with actual expertise in a field away.

You'd fit in great with the anti-vaccine and global warming denial crowds. Their whole motto pretty much is 'The experts are wrong!'

If a large number of the people who study and follow this sort of thing for a living say the media coverage and mass exposure of shooter is a motivating factor, the wisest course of action is probably not to just hand wave that away just because you get major jollies out of reading the manifestos.

I don't think it's the fame. They are in emotional pain and want as many to suffer along with them.

If fame was important, they would target famous/important people, not randoms in a school for the most part.

ER's father is in Hollywood. If ER wanted the fame, he could have targeted the Hollywood elite.

Im pretty sure Ah Mah had something to do with this

Never trust a guy who has interchangeable first and last names

I didn't actually read anything after the first paragraph of the post, I'm just saying that I'm definitely going to be performing my own analysis as well as listening to what psychologists have to say. They don't all have the same opinion, some may have views that are more agreeable than others.

Don't you think it's ridiculous when psychologists say anyone can become susceptible to joining a cult though? What's more is I'm interested as to how they came to that conclusion. I get that cult members aren't just a bunch of idiots and otherwise intelligent people who are yearning to fill a void or to overcome a tragedy may be manipulated into joining a cult. However, I absolutely refuse to believe that "everyone" can be manipulated into joining one.

I'm just saying, psychologists don't always get it right, they may very well be right in the situation you described, but I didn't read what you had to say and I won't be doing so.

Am I the only one that finds it irrational when people say stuff like "media coverage and mass exposure were the motivations for the killings, so we should ignore what they said to punish him"?

The guy is dead. Whether we read his manifesto or speculate on his purpose or not it doesn't give him any pleasure or discomfort whatsoever. He is decomposing. He no longer garners any pleasure or discomfort from the ramifications of his actions. You can't defeat him, because there is no one to defeat any longer. Vengeance is irrational.

If anything, looking for possible signals which may have alerted friends or family in regards to his intentions may be the only beneficial data which could be collected from this event.

When we are upset and we want justice it might be easy to go "Hah, we burnt his manifesto and deleted his youtube videos. He lost.". But that doesn't accomplish anything, and regardless if garnering attention is the motivating factor for future killings it's going to happen no matter how we deal with it. The loss of lives is always going to be traumatic, and shuffling it under the rug to defeat a dead guy that no longer has any wishes or ambitions is silly. It just hurts the people who lost loved ones in this sort of thing.

I think the mentality is that IF all the exposure somehow gives people the illusion that when they likewise commit a crime of similar proportions that they will be famous, then focusing on the perpetrator should be avoided.

Given the internet and social media, I don't think this is longer possible.